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Abstract: Transcript of the oral reasons for sentence

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                2006 NWTTC 17

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                IN THE YOUTH JUSTICE COURT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES



                IN THE MATTER OF:







                              HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN



                                      - and -



                               P.G. (A Young Person)



                _____________________________________________________

                Transcript of the Oral Reasons for Sentence delivered

                by the Honourable Judge R.D. Gorin, sitting at

                Yellowknife, in the Northwest Territories, on

                September 29th, A.D. 2006.

                _____________________________________________________





                APPEARANCES:

                Mr. B. Hubley:              Counsel for the Crown

                Mr. M. Hansen               Amicus Curiae

                (Charges under s.145(5.1) X 3, 348(1)(b) X 7 CC, 137 YCJA)





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         1      THE COURT:             In the case before me the

         2          young person, P.G., has pleaded guilty to and

         3          been found guilty of a number of serious

         4          offences.  These findings of guilt include a

         5          finding of guilt for wilfully failing or refusing

         6          to comply with a non-custodial sentence imposed

         7          under the Youth Criminal Justice Act contrary to

         8          section 137 of the Act.

         9               The young person has a short criminal

        10          record.  The record contains one previous finding

        11          of guilt for an offence contrary to section 137

        12          of the Act.  The finding of guilt contrary to

        13          section 137 which I have before me for sentencing

        14          is a breach of a different non-custodial sentence

        15          than that which led to the prior finding of guilt

        16          on the young person's criminal record.

        17               In the case before me, the Crown submits

        18          that given the young person's record and the

        19          findings of guilt presently before me for

        20          sentencing this Court has the jurisdiction to

        21          impose custody.

        22               The young person's original counsel took no

        23          position, although Mr. Hansen, who has appeared

        24          today as amicus curiae, has ably argued that the

        25          Court does not have the jurisdiction to impose

        26          custody.  He further takes the position that none

        27          of the statutory gateways to custody provided for





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         1          through section 39 of the Act have been opened.

         2          Clearly, I must have the jurisdiction to impose

         3          custody before doing so.

         4               The issue which I must first determine is:

         5          Does section 39(1)(b) of the Youth Criminal

         6          Justice Act require prior findings of guilt for

         7          offences entailing breaches of non-custodial

         8          sentences before custody can be imposed?

         9               The issue can alternatively be put as:  Is

        10          the statutory gateway to custody provided for

        11          under section 39(1)(b) opened where the

        12          "findings" of guilt for offences entailing

        13          breaches of different non-custodial sentences

        14          include those which are before the Court for

        15          sentencing?  This question has been the topic of

        16          significant debate.

        17               Section 39(1) of the Act provides:

        18               "A youth justice court shall not

        19               commit a young person to custody

        20               under section 42 (youth sentences)

        21               unless

        22               (a) the young person has committed a

        23               violent offence;

        24               (b) the young person has failed to

        25               comply with non-custodial sentences;

        26               (c) the young person has committed

        27               an indictable offence for which an





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         1               adult would be liable to

         2               imprisonment for a term of more than

         3               two years and has a history that

         4               indicates a pattern of findings of

         5               guilt under this Act or the Young

         6               Offenders Act, chapter Y-1 of the

         7               Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985; or

         8               (d) in exceptional cases where the

         9               young person has committed an

        10               indictable offence, the aggravating

        11               circumstances of the offence are

        12               such that the imposition of a

        13               non-custodial sentence would be

        14               inconsistent with the purpose and

        15               principles set out in section 38.

        16

        17               In order to decide the issue I have before

        18          me, I must attempt to determine the intention of

        19          Parliament contained in section 39(1)(b).  I

        20          remind myself that the rule of law requires that

        21          I not be overly creative in my interpretation.

        22          Section 39(1)(b), as well as the rest of the

        23          Youth Criminal Justice Act, reflects the will of

        24          a democratically elected government.  I, as a

        25          Judge who has received my office through

        26          appointment, am not to interpret the statute in a

        27          manner inconsistent with the will of Parliament.





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         1               In determining the intention of Parliament,

         2          the primary rule of interpretation is that of

         3          literal construction.  This rule of construction

         4          is, "to intend the legislature to have meant what

         5          it has actually expressed":  R. v. Branbury

         6          (Inhabitants) (1834) as per Parker, C.J., page

         7          142.

         8               There are other rules of statutory

         9          interpretation which some have argued as having

        10          applicability to the correct interpretation of

        11          section 39(1)(b).  One such rule provides that a

        12          statute is to be read as a whole.  The rule

        13          requires that the interpreter, "... make

        14          construction on all the parts together and not of

        15          one part only by itself":  Case of Lincoln

        16          College (1595) 3 Co. Rep. 58b, at 58b.

        17

        18          Every clause of a statute must, "be construed

        19          with reference to the context and other clauses

        20          of the Act so far as possible to make a

        21          consistent enactment of the whole statute":

        22          Canada Sugar Refining Co., Ltd. v. R. [1898] A.C.

        23          735 per Lord Davey at p. 741.

        24

        25               Another applicable rule of construction is

        26          the "consequences to be considered" principle of

        27          statutory interpretation.  This principle simply





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         1          provides that before adopting any proposed

         2          construction of a passage susceptible of more

         3          than one meaning it is important to consider the

         4          effects or consequences which would result from

         5          that construction.

         6               In Gartside v. I.R.C. [1968] A.C. 553, at

         7          p. 612 Lord Reid stated:

         8               "It is always proper to construe an

         9               ambiguous word or phrase in light of

        10               the mischief which the provision is

        11               obviously designed to prevent and in

        12               light of the reasonableness of the

        13               consequences which follow from

        14               giving it a particular

        15               construction."

        16

        17               As one of the statutory gateways to custody,

        18          subsection 39(1)(b) requires that before custody

        19          can be imposed it must be the case that the young

        20          person, "has failed to comply with non-custodial

        21          sentences."  What the wording requires is simply

        22          a failure to comply with separate non-custodial

        23          sentences.  The subsection does not require prior

        24          findings of guilt.  Although it is true that the

        25          wording, "has failed to comply," clearly

        26          contemplates past events, the past event required

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         1          sentences and not a prior finding or findings of

         2          guilt for offences entailing breaches of

         3          non-custodial sentences.  Since it only requires

         4          a past failure to comply with non-custodial

         5          sentences and not a past finding of guilt, the

         6          statutory gateway to custody set out in

         7          subsection 39(1)(b) would be available in this

         8          case under that section's plain wording.

         9               I find that the contrasting language used in

        10          other parts of subsection 39(1) bolsters the

        11          argument in favour of the literal interpretation

        12          I have set out in the foregoing paragraph.

        13          Section 39(1)(a) requires, "the young person has

        14          committed a violent offence."* (emphasis mine)

        15               Subsection 39(1)(c) also sets out a separate

        16          gateway to custody which requires that the young

        17          person, "has committed an indictable offence,"*

        18          punishable in adult court by more than two years'

        19          imprisonment and, "has a history that indicates a

        20          pattern of findings of guilt."* (emphasis mine.)

        21               Clearly, the wording of section 39(1)(a) of

        22          the Act, "has committed a violent offence," is

        23          speaking of the matter before the Court for

        24          sentencing.  Equally clear is that the wording of

        25          subsection 39(1)(c), "has committed an indictable

        26          offence," is speaking of the matter presently

        27          before the Court for sentencing and not an





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         1          earlier finding of guilt.

         2               It follows that where subsection 39(1)(b)

         3          uses the wording, "has failed to comply with

         4          non-custodial sentences," the words, "has

         5          failed," cover either a matter presently before

         6          the Court for sentencing or past finding of guilt

         7          entailing such a failure.

         8               As well, it is also clear that subsection

         9          39(1)(c) requires past findings of guilt where it

        10          states, "and has a history that indicates a

        11          pattern of findings of guilt."  Surely if

        12          Parliament had wished subsection 39(1)(b) to

        13          require prior findings of guilt entailing

        14          failures to comply with non-custodial sentences,

        15          it would have clearly referred to, "findings of

        16          guilt," in the same manner that it has in section

        17          39(1)(c).

        18               I find that there is no ambiguity in the

        19          wording of subsection 39(1)(b).  Therefore, the

        20          "Consequences to be Considered" principle of

        21          statutory interpretation does not apply.

        22          Certainly it cannot be said that a literal

        23          interpretation of subsection 39(1)(b) leads to an

        24          absurd result.

        25               In my view, it is quite apparent that in

        26          enacting subsection 39(1)(b) of the Youth

        27          Criminal Justice Act it was Parliament's





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         1          intention to not necessarily require past

         2          findings of guilt entailing breaches of

         3          non-custodial sentences in order to open the

         4          statutory gateway to custody provided through

         5          that subsection.  Parliament intended that the

         6          findings of guilt for offences entailing a

         7          failure to comply with non-custodial sentences

         8          could be those presently before the Court for

         9          sentencing in order for custody to be available

        10          as a sentence.

        11               In arriving at this conclusion, I have

        12          carefully considered the cases I have found which

        13          deal with the issue.  In the case of R. v. J.H.

        14          [2004] O.J. No. 5151, the Ontario Court of

        15          Justice, sitting as a Youth Justice Court, came

        16          to a conclusion which is opposite to mine.  The

        17          judgment sets out the arguments often referred to

        18          by those who maintain that section 39(1)(b)

        19          requires two or more past findings of guilt for

        20          offences entailing breaches of non-custodial

        21          sentences imposed under the Act before custody is

        22          available.

        23               In J.H. the young person had pleaded guilty

        24          to three breaches of two probation orders.  The

        25          Court was presented with a joint submission for a

        26          90-day custody and supervision order.  The

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         1          custody and 30 days of community supervision.

         2          The sentencing Judge in J.H. rejected the joint

         3          submission, holding that none of the statutory

         4          gateways to custody had been opened.

         5               In J.H. it was held, in my view correctly,

         6          that whether or not a young person has failed to

         7          comply with the same non-custodial sentence on

         8          one or several occasions was irrelevant when

         9          considering whether section 39(1)(b) was

        10          triggered.  The Court held that the language of

        11          section 39(1)(b) is unequivocal in requiring

        12          non-compliances of more than one non-custodial

        13          sentence.  Once again, I agree.  However,

        14          beginning at paragraph 19 the Court in J.H. held:

        15               "The more critical question for

        16               J.H., however, remains whether the

        17               non-compliance(s) with the sentence

        18               imposed November 5th, 2002, that is,

        19               whether the finding of guilt on each

        20               of the breach offences presently

        21               before the court, count for purposes

        22               of section 39(1)(b) YCJA.  My view

        23               is that these do not.  For a

        24               non-compliance of a non-custodial

        25               sentence to count for purposes of

        26               section 39(1)(b), the non-compliance

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         1               the basis for, or arising out of,

         2               the offence currently before the

         3               Court for sentencing.  My view is

         4               that these do not.  For a

         5               non-compliance of a non-custodial

         6               sentence to count for the purpose of

         7               section 39(1)(b) the non-compliance

         8               must be other than the one that is

         9               the basis for or arising out of the

        10               offence currently before the Court

        11               for sentencing.  It should be noted

        12               at the outset that this view is

        13               simply a matter of judicial

        14               interpretation of statutory wording

        15               that is equivocal.  It could be

        16               taken either way."

        17

        18               J.H. held that there had to be two prior

        19          findings of guilt for offences each entailing a

        20          failure to comply with a separate non-custodial

        21          sentence in order for custody to be available

        22          under section 39(1)(b).  In requiring the two

        23          prior findings of guilt for offences entailing

        24          breaches, J.H. held that the "equivocal" language

        25          of the legislators in section 39(1)(b) reasonably

        26          permitted either interpretation.  At paragraph 29

        27          the Court went on to say:





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         1               "Fourthly, is the consideration of

         2               why clause (b) exists in s. 39(1)

         3               YCJA.  An analysis of the YCJA

         4               plainly shows a bias in favour of

         5               dealing with youth crime by

         6               sanctions that are non-custodial, by

         7               requiring the court to first

         8               consider all possible reasonable

         9               alternatives to custody and

        10               rejecting them, and by reserving

        11               custodial sentences for the most

        12               serious offences and those involving

        13               violence.  How does the criterion

        14               for custody contained in section

        15               39(1)(b) reconcile with such an

        16               anti-custody bias in the YCJA?"

        17

        18          At paragraph 31 the Court in J.H. also stated:

        19               "In other words, section 39(1)(b)

        20               represents the attitude that "enough

        21               is enough" with some offenders.  For

        22               some offenders, sanctions that do

        23               not take away their freedom don't

        24               work.  Some just thumb their noses

        25               at non-custodial sanctions, and some

        26               ignore the conditions of their

        27               sentences.  For such offenders the





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         1               availability of a custodial sanction

         2               is essential to meet the objectives

         3               of the YCJA.  Without a custodial

         4               sanction for such offenders, the

         5               youth justice system cannot fully

         6               impose meaningful consequences.  It

         7               cannot adequately emphasize fair and

         8               proportionate accountability.  It

         9               will fail in the rehabilitation of

        10               such offenders, and reinforce for

        11               them that they can disobey and

        12               ignore court imposed sanctions with

        13               relative impunity."

        14

        15                However, at paragraph 35 and paragraph 36

        16          the Court in J.H. concluded its interpretation of

        17          subsection 39(1)(b) stating:

        18               "It seems inappropriately low to set

        19               the minimum threshold for custody at

        20               one prior instance of non-compliance

        21               with a non-custodial sentence apart

        22               from any non-compliance which might

        23               be inferred from the facts of the

        24               offence that is before the court.

        25               This is hardly a history at all.  It

        26               seems to open the door to custody

        27               too readily when one considers the





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         1               bias against custody contained in

         2               the YCJA.  For me, one single prior

         3               non-compliance is not enough.  There

         4               should be a minimum of two separate

         5               non-compliances.  Two separate

         6               sentences before custody becomes a

         7               possibility on any subsequent

         8               offence.

         9               What section 39(1)(b) does is simply

        10               set a threshold.  I interpret

        11               section 39(1)(b) YCJA as a three

        12               strikes rule.  A young person is

        13               still in the game with two strikes

        14               against him or her.  The third

        15               strike is what may result in

        16               custodial consequences under this

        17               rule."

        18

        19               J.H. was considered by the Newfoundland and

        20          Labrador Provincial Court in the case of

        21          R. v. M.S. (2005), N.J. No. 199.  In that case

        22          the conclusion reached in J.H. was specifically

        23          rejected.  In coming to a conclusion contrary to

        24          that set out in J.H., Gorman, Prov. Ct. J., held

        25          that:

        26               "The practical effect of J.H. is the

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         1               that it reads as follows:

         2                 The young person has on two

         3                 previous occasions failed to

         4                 comply with non-custodial

         5                 sentences."

         6

         7               I would go further.  In my view, the

         8          practical effect of J.H. is a redrafting of

         9          section 39(1)(b) in the following or similar

        10          language:

        11               "The young person has on two

        12               previous occasions been found guilty

        13               of an offence entailing a failure to

        14               comply with separate non-custodial

        15               sentences."

        16

        17               However, Parliament did not use the

        18          foregoing or similar wording.  For reasons I have

        19          already provided, I agree completely with Judge

        20          Gorman where he states at paragraph 23 of M.S.:

        21               "There is, however, no need to add

        22               such artificial prerequisites to the

        23               application of section 39(1)(b) as

        24               the words used in that section of

        25               the YCJA are clear and unambiguous.

        26               Two breaches of section 137 of the

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         1               occurred, constitutes a failure to

         2               comply with non-custodial sentences

         3               if they relate to separate probation

         4               orders."

         5

         6               Because of the lack of ambiguity in what I

         7          view to be the clearly expressed intention of

         8          Parliament, I conclude that the approach taken by

         9          the Court in J.H. is unduly constructive.

        10               However, while I have rejected the ultimate

        11          interpretation reached in J.H., I am of the view

        12          that much of what is said in other parts of the

        13          judgment has considerable merit.  The Court in

        14          J.H. is correct in pointing out that the Youth

        15          Criminal Justice Act contains a number of

        16          provisions which demonstrate that custody should

        17          only be imposed as a last resort.  However, I am

        18          of the view that the provisions in question, in

        19          particular those contained in sections 3 and 38

        20          of the Act, do not permit an interpretation of

        21          section 39(1)(b) which is inconsistent with its

        22          clear and unambiguous wording.

        23               I also agree completely with the judgment in

        24          J.H. where it states that if one of the four

        25          conditions precedent in section 39(1) of the Act

        26          are present, custody will not necessarily result

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         1          to whether or not custody is imposed.  In fact, I

         2          would go somewhat further and state that even

         3          where one or more of the gateways to custody

         4          contained in section 39(1) are open, it may well

         5          be the case that upon consideration of other

         6          provisions of the Act, including sections 3 and

         7          38, it will become apparent that custody is still

         8          not available as a fit sentence.

         9               Even where one or more of the gateways are

        10          open, there remains the question of fitness.

        11          Clearly, the Act's "Declaration of Principle" and

        12          the purpose and principles of sentencing set out

        13          in the Act must be taken into account when

        14          arriving at a proper sentence and in determining

        15          whether a given sentence is fit.  The

        16          satisfaction of one of the conditions precedent

        17          contained in section 39(1) simply removes one of

        18          the barriers to custody which would otherwise

        19          exist.  It may well be the case that even with

        20          that barrier removed the Court still lacks the

        21          "discretion" to impose custody as part of a fit

        22          sentence.

        23               Finally, I agree with the Court in J.H.

        24          where it states that section 39(1)(b),

        25          "represents the attitude that enough is enough,"

        26          and that there will be cases where it will be

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         1          repeatedly demonstrated that their behaviour is

         2          ungovernable through anything less than a

         3          custodial sentence.  However, the clear wording

         4          of section 39(1)(b) is measured in its approach

         5          by simply requiring that two or more

         6          non-custodial sentences have been previously

         7          imposed and breached before custody is imposed.

         8               Like the Court in M.S., I conclude that the

         9          wording of section 39(1)(b) of the Youth Criminal

        10          Justice Act is clear and unambiguous.  A finding

        11          or findings of guilt entailing a failure to

        12          comply with non-custodial sentences which are

        13          presently before the Court for sentencing is

        14          enough to open the statutory gateway to custody

        15          provided for in section 39(1)(b) so long as

        16          different non-custodial sentences have been

        17          breached.

        18               The next question I have to ask myself is

        19          whether custody is available as a fit sentence in

        20          this case.  For the reasons I have given, it is

        21          clear that the gateway to custody provided for

        22          under section 39(1)(b) is open in this case.

        23          However, as I have said, before I can impose

        24          custody I must be satisfied that a sentence which

        25          includes custody would be fit under all of the

        26          circumstances.

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         1          relevant provisions, including sections 3 and 38

         2          of the Act at this point.  However, I will point

         3          out rehabilitation and reintegration into society

         4          are the primary sentencing principles which I

         5          have to address.  As well, the sentence cannot be

         6          disparate from other sentences imposed in the

         7          Northwest Territories on similar young persons

         8          found guilty of the same offence or offences as

         9          Mr. G. in similar circumstances.  The principle

        10          of proportionality has to be considered, although

        11          section 3(b)(ii) provides that in addressing

        12          proportionality the Court must take into account

        13          the greater dependency of young persons and their

        14          reduced level of maturity.

        15               Of particular importance is subsection

        16          38(2)(d) and (e).  Subsection 38(2)(d) requires

        17          that:

        18               "all available sanctions other than

        19               custody that are reasonable in the

        20               circumstances should be considered

        21               for all young persons, with

        22               particular attention to the

        23               circumstances of Aboriginal young

        24               persons.

        25

        26          Subsection 38(2)(e) requires that subject to the

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         1          subsection 38(2)(c) the sentence must:

         2               "(i) be the least restrictive

         3               sentence that is capable of

         4               achieving the purpose set out in

         5               subsection (1),

         6               (ii) be the one that is most likely

         7               to rehabilitate the young person and

         8               reintegrate him or her into society,

         9               and

        10               (iii) promote a sense of

        11               responsibility in the young person

        12               and an acknowledgement of the harm

        13               done to victims and the community.

        14

        15          Subsection 38(3) provides that:

        16               "In determining a youth sentence,

        17               the youth justice court shall take

        18               into account

        19               (a) the degree of participation by

        20               the young person in the commission

        21               of the offence;

        22               (b) the harm done to victims and

        23               whether it was intentional or

        24               reasonably foreseeable;

        25               (c) any reparation made by the young

        26               person to the victim or the

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         1               (d) the time spent in detention by

         2               the young person as a result of the

         3               offence;

         4               (e) the previous findings of guilt

         5               of the young person; and

         6               (f) any other aggravating and

         7               mitigating circumstances related to

         8               the young person or the offence that

         9               are relevant to the purpose and

        10               principles set out in this section.

        11

        12               I am not allowed to take into account a

        13          number of things.  I am not allowed to take into

        14          account protection of the public in the narrow

        15          sense.  I am not allowed to impose custody for

        16          the purpose of protecting the public by

        17          warehousing a young person for an extended period

        18          of time.

        19               Also, in the decision of

        20          R. v. C.D., R. v. C.D.K. [2005] S.C.C. 668, the

        21          Supreme Court of Canada made it clear that since

        22          deterrence is not referred to as a sentencing

        23          principle in the Youth Criminal Justice Act,

        24          neither general deterrence nor specific

        25          deterrence in the narrow sense are a valid

        26          purpose when sentencing a young person.  However,

        27          the Supreme Court allowed that proper sentences





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         1          imposed for valid reasons might well have a

         2          deterrent effect.

         3               In the case before me, P.G. has a record for

         4          a number of findings of guilt.  There is a

         5          finding of guilt for assault which was entered in

         6          August, 2005 for which he received five months'

         7          probation as a sentence.  In February of 2006 he

         8          was found guilty of wilfully failing or refusing

         9          to comply with the probation order previously

        10          imposed and was sentenced to a community service

        11          order requiring that he perform 60 hours of

        12          community service work.

        13               He has pleaded guilty to and been found

        14          guilty of a number of offences on which I will

        15          shortly impose sentence.  The following is a

        16          summary of those findings of guilt:

        17               1) Wilfully failing to comply with a Youth

        18          Court sentence contrary to section 137 of the

        19          Youth Criminal Justice Act.  Mr. G. has admitted

        20          that he did none of the community service hours

        21          which were ordered by Judge Schmaltz on February

        22          the 21st of this year prior to the expiration of

        23          that order.

        24               2) Breaking and entering into the Fort

        25          Providence Hamlet office on May 18th and

        26          committing theft therein contrary to section

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         1          that he participated in a break and enter where

         2          stationery, food and a digital camera were

         3          stolen.

         4               3) Breaking and entering into the Snowstar

         5          Mechanical Garage on June the 16th and committing

         6          theft therein contrary to section 348(1)(b) of

         7          the Criminal Code.  He admits that he

         8          participated in the break and enter and the theft

         9          of a compact disc player and eight or nine beers

        10          which were taken from a refrigerator inside that

        11          garage.

        12               4) Breaking and entering the Northern Store

        13          warehouse on or between July 18 and 19 and

        14          committing the indictable offence of theft not

        15          exceeding $5,000 contrary to section 348(1)(b) of

        16          the Criminal Code.  He admits he participated in

        17          the break and enter and the theft of five pellet

        18          handguns and several bags of potato chips.  The

        19          total amount of property taken amounts to

        20          $287.45.  Four individuals participated in this

        21          break and enter.

        22               5) Breaking and entering a private garage on

        23          July the 20th and committing theft contrary to

        24          section 348(1)(b) of the Criminal Code.  He

        25          participated in the break and enter by using a

        26          pry bar to get into the garage and stealing keys

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         1               6) Breaking and entering into the Snowstar

         2          Mechanical Garage and committing theft on July

         3          20th, once again, contrary to section 348(1)(b)

         4          of the Criminal Code.  Mr. G. admits that he

         5          participated in a break and enter where the keys

         6          stolen earlier that day were used to get into the

         7          Snowstar Mechanical Garage once again where pop

         8          and a DVD movie were taken.

         9               7) Failing to comply with an undertaking

        10          entered into before a peace officer in charge

        11          contrary to section 145(5.1) of the Criminal

        12          Code.  Mr. G. admits that on July the 17th he was

        13          placed on an undertaking by a peace officer.  One

        14          of the conditions of the undertaking was to have

        15          no contact with a certain named individual and he

        16          breached that condition on the date charged.

        17

        18               For the reasons which I have already

        19          provided, the statutory gateway to custody

        20          contained in section 39(1)(b) is opened.  Mr. G.

        21          is now 17 years old.  He was 16 throughout the

        22          time that he committed the offences on which he

        23          has been found guilty.  He has been in pre-trial

        24          detention since July 27th, a period of two

        25          months.

        26               The pre-sentence report which has been

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         1          out that a custodial disposition would place Mr.

         2          G. in a well supervised setting with a required

         3          education program.  His behaviour would be

         4          monitored and he would be given the opportunity

         5          to participate in programs offered by the

         6          receiving facility.  The author of the report

         7          appears to recommend custody, given Mr. G.'s

         8          escalation in crimes, lack of parental support

         9          and lack of services within the community of Fort

        10          Providence.  However, the report also advises

        11          that Mr. G., at least at the time immediately

        12          prior to the report, was not doing well in

        13          custody.

        14               In any event, I have to take into account

        15          the fact that the Youth Criminal Justice Act

        16          provides that sentencing under the Act is not to

        17          be a substitute for child protection proceedings.

        18               In this case I am taking into account the

        19          fact that the break and enter offences were into

        20          places other than dwelling houses.  I am taking

        21          into account the fact that it appears that

        22          neither the value of the items stolen nor the

        23          harm suffered by Mr. G.'s victims appears to have

        24          been great.  I am taking into account the fact

        25          that there are no prior property related findings

        26          of guilt indicated on the criminal record.

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         1          of guilt contrary to section 137 of the Act and

         2          the finding of guilt contrary to section 145(5.1)

         3          of the Criminal Code, I am taking into account

         4          the single prior entry which was entered in

         5          February of this year when Mr. G. breached the

         6          probation order he was previously under.  I am

         7          taking into account the fact that he has never

         8          received a custodial sentence before and I am

         9          taking into account the fair and appropriate

        10          position of the Crown, as well as what has been

        11          said on Mr. G.'s behalf by Mr. Hansen as amicus

        12          curiae in his able submissions.

        13               Finally, I am taking into account all of the

        14          statutory provisions and the case law dealing

        15          with the sentencing of young persons which I have

        16          already referred to.

        17               Mr. G., stand up.  Is there anything you

        18          would like to say at this particular point?

        19      THE YOUNG PERSON:      No.

        20      THE COURT:             All right.  Sit down.  In my

        21          view, given P.G.'s age and the lack of any

        22          previous custodial sentences, there have already

        23          been meaningful consequences imposed on Mr. G. as

        24          a result of his criminal behaviour and nothing

        25          more of a punitive nature need be imposed at this

        26          particular point in time.

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         1          for a period of nine months on all of the

         2          findings of guilt presently before the Court.

         3          The terms of the probation order, in addition to

         4          the statutory term, one of which, I should point

         5          out, requires that he keep the peace and be of

         6          good behaviour, will be as follows:  He is to

         7          report to his youth worker forthwith - I see that

         8          she is here present in the courtroom - and he is

         9          to report to her or whoever is assigned to his

        10          case thereafter as directed.  He is to take all

        11          counselling as directed by his youth worker, and

        12          that counselling will include, but is not limited

        13          to, counselling for alcohol abuse and counselling

        14          for marijuana abuse.  He is to reside at the home

        15          of his sister, A.G., in Fort Providence.  He is

        16          not to be outside the residence of A.G. between

        17          the hours of 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. each and every

        18          day throughout the duration of the probation

        19          order except in the company of either A.G. or

        20          G.B.?

        21      MR. HANSEN:            Yes, sir.

        22      THE COURT:             Or with the written permission

        23          of either of those two individuals.  He is to

        24          attend school each and every day that school is

        25          held unless Mr. G. is too ill to attend school.

        26               Now, Mr. G., you indicated to the author of

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         1          you have committed all of the crimes that I am

         2          sentencing you on here today is because you have

         3          friends that persuade you to do bad things.  Is

         4          that right?

         5      THE YOUNG PERSON:      (No verbal response).

         6      THE COURT:             Well, you are 17 years old

         7          now.  You are a big boy.  You are going to have

         8          to be careful who you hang around with.  Do you

         9          understand that?

        10      THE YOUNG PERSON:      Yeah.

        11      THE COURT:             You are also on probation.  If

        12          you breach this probation order by committing a

        13          further crime or not doing any of the things that

        14          I have ordered that you do, you can expect that

        15          there will be a real likelihood that you will go

        16          back to custody.  Do you understand that?

        17      THE YOUNG PERSON:      Yeah.

        18      THE COURT:             All right.  I am not going to

        19          make any order of restitution at this particular

        20          point, Mr. Hubley.  From what I have observed of

        21          Mr. G., I don't really see the point.

        22      MR. HUBLEY:            That's correct, Your Honour.

        23      THE COURT:             Anything else?

        24      MR. HUBLEY:            There were three individuals

        25          who these crimes were committed with.  I'm not

        26          sure --

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         1          those individuals.  If you could give them to me.

         2      MR. HUBLEY:            I have the names here, Your

         3          Honour.

         4      THE COURT:             Yes.

         5      MR. HUBLEY:            The first individual is C.L.,

         6          S.P. and K.B., K. spelled with a K.  As Your

         7          Honour is no doubt aware, S.P. was one of the

         8          individuals who he was to remain away from under

         9          the second 145 finding of guilt.

        10      MR. HANSEN:            Sir, perhaps added to the

        11          list, P. has indicated that one of the primary

        12          motivators in these matters was a young person by

        13          the name of A.J.E.  So perhaps no contact with

        14          him either.

        15      THE COURT:             What is the first name?

        16      THE YOUNG PERSON:      A.

        17      MR. HANSEN:            A.  He goes by A.J.

        18      THE COURT:             A. is fine.  E.?

        19      MR. HANSEN:            Yes.

        20      THE COURT:             All right.  There will be a

        21          term in the probation order that Mr. G. have no

        22          contact whatsoever either directly or indirectly

        23          with any of those named individuals; A.E., C.L.,

        24          S.P., K.B.

        25      MR. HUBLEY:            Your Honour, if I may, I am

        26          not sure about those youths, whether or not

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         1          condition that unless absolutely necessary if

         2          they are going to school.

         3      THE COURT:             Well, I am not saying that it

         4          is a bad suggestion, Mr. Hubley, but whenever it

         5          comes to terms on a probation order one can think

         6          of a million and one possible exceptions if you

         7          turn your mind to it.  I could think of many.  In

         8          fact, I could be here until next Monday thinking

         9          up all of the possible exceptions one might want

        10          to ideally impose.  I am going to leave it to the

        11          discretion of the police on whether to charge him

        12          in case any of these conditions are breached

        13          where breaches are practicably unavoidable, and I

        14          will leave it to your office in the case such a

        15          charge is laid on whether or not to actually

        16          prosecute.  How does that sound?

        17      MR. HUBLEY:            That is a great idea, Your

        18          Honour.

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        22                             Certified to be a true and
                                       accurate transcript pursuant
        23                             to Rules 723 and 724 of the
                                       Supreme Court Rules.
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                                       Jill MacDonald, CSR(A), RPR
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