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             R. v. Romie, 2015 NWTSC 11               S-1-CR-2014-000012



                IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES



                IN THE MATTER OF:



                                HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN



                                        - v -



                                MOLSON MITCHELL ROMIE



             __________________________________________________________

             Transcript of the Reasons for Sentence delivered by The

             Honourable Justice L. A. Charbonneau, sitting in

             Yellowknife, in the Northwest Territories, on the 27th day

             of February, 2015.

             __________________________________________________________



             APPEARANCES:

             Mr. A. Godfrey:                Counsel for the Crown

             Mr. M. Martin:                 Counsel for the Accused



                     (Charge under s. 271 Criminal Code of Canada)

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                     BAN ON PUBLICATION OF THE COMPLAINANT/WITNESS
                     PURSUANT TO SECTION 486.4 OF THE CRIMINAL CODE







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         1      THE COURT:             Earlier this week, Mr. Romie

         2          pleaded guilty to a charge of having sexually

         3          assaulted L.F., and I must now sentence him for

         4          that serious offence.

         5               The Crown and defence have jointly submitted

         6          that an appropriate range of sentence for this

         7          offence would be between two years less a day and

         8          two and a half years' imprisonment in addition to

         9          the time that Mr. Romie has already spent in

        10          custody.  Within that range, the Crown is asking

        11          that I impose a sentence at the higher end of the

        12          range and the defence is asking that I impose a

        13          sentence at the lower end of the range.  I will

        14          say at the outset that I agree that it is an

        15          appropriate range.  The only question that I must

        16          decide today is where in that range the sentence

        17          should be.

        18               The Agreed Statement of Facts that was filed

        19          by the Crown does not include a lot of details

        20          about the sexual assault that was committed on

        21          Ms. F beyond the fact that it involved an act of

        22          full intercourse without her consent.  Counsel

        23          also clarified, in answer to a question I asked

        24          during the sentencing hearing, that she was awake

        25          when the sexual assault took place.

        26               Mr. Romie and Ms. F are both residents of

        27          Whati, but this offence happened in Yellowknife.






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         1          Mr. Romie was in Yellowknife with his sister and

         2          Ms. F was here with her father.  On the evening

         3          of this incident, they ended up getting together

         4          with some other people and consumed alcohol.

         5          Ms. F was 17 at the time and Mr. Romie was 24.

         6               Paragraphs 3 to 6 of the Agreed Statement of

         7          Facts describe the assault committed on Ms. F by

         8          Mr. Romie and those paragraphs read as follows:

         9                 That evening, L.F. went to sleep
                           in her sister, L's room.  Her
        10                 sister L went to sleep in the
                           living room.
        11
                           L.F. was in the room laying on the
        12                 bed and Molson Romie was in the
                           room standing having a cigarette.
        13
                           Molson Romie had non-consensual
        14                 sex with L.F.  It lasted less than
                           two minutes.
        15
                           After he finished he told her not
        16                 to say anything about the sex and
                           he left the apartment.
        17
                           Molson Romie felt bad after it
        18                 happened.

        19               Ms. F disclosed these events about a week

        20          later during an interview with a counsellor in

        21          Whati.  As a result of this disclosure, the

        22          police were called and she was interviewed by

        23          them.  Mr. Romie was charged and arrested on June

        24          3rd and was released on process at that time.

        25               He elected to have his trial before a court

        26          composed of a judge and a jury and sought to have

        27          a preliminary hearing.  Having reviewed the






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         1          endorsements from the Territorial Court file, it

         2          appears that the matter was adjourned a number of

         3          times.  There were a few occasions where

         4          Mr. Romie did not appear in court and the matter

         5          had to be spoken to at a later date, including

         6          one of the dates that had been set for the

         7          preliminary hearing.  Ultimately, Mr. Romie

         8          consented to his committal.  This was in February

         9          2014.  So the complainant did not have to

        10          testify.

        11               Mr. Romie's trial had been scheduled to

        12          proceed this week.  I heard that at some point

        13          last week the Crown made his counsel a proposal

        14          for resolution of this matter.  From what defence

        15          counsel said, I understand this resolution offer

        16          was more favourable to Mr. Romie than earlier

        17          resolution offers that had been made.  Presented

        18          with this new offer, Mr. Romie decided to plead

        19          guilty and the jury trial was cancelled.  The

        20          witnesses were advised before the end of last

        21          week that they would not have to testify.

        22               Crown counsel has said that Ms. F was very

        23          relieved about not having to testify on this

        24          matter.  I have no doubt that this is true and

        25          that she must have been very relieved.  In

        26          addition to sparing her from having to testify, I

        27          am told the guilty plea avoided the cost of her






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         1          having to travel from Whati to Yellowknife and,

         2          also, the cost of the police officer having to

         3          travel to Yellowknife from Inuvik to testify.

         4               Mr. Romie, as I said already, had been

         5          released on process when he was first charged.  I

         6          am told that he was taken into custody on

         7          March 4, 2014, and released again on March 7.  I

         8          was not provided any further details as to why

         9          this was, but I take it, it may have been as a

        10          result of not appearing in court as required.

        11               I was advised that he was taken into custody

        12          again on January 28th, 2015, as a result of being

        13          charged with other matters which are currently

        14          still pending in the Territorial Court.  As I

        15          heard this morning, there was no show cause

        16          hearing on those new charges, which means that I

        17          have discretion as to how much credit I will give

        18          Mr. Romie for this period of time he has spent in

        19          custody.

        20               Ms. F has written a Victim Impact Statement

        21          which was filed as an exhibit at the sentencing.

        22          It was not read into the record earlier this

        23          week, but I will read it now because I think it

        24          is important for everyone, including Mr. Romie,

        25          to keep in mind the impact that this crime had on

        26          her.  The Victim Impact Statement statement is

        27          dated February 20th, 2015, and it reads as






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         1          follows:

         2                 Didn't sleep good.  Made me feel
                           depressed.  Made me see a
         3                 counsellor.  Made me feel
                           sensitive.  Made me feel
         4                 uncomfortable around males.  Me
                           and my sister's relation, I didn't
         5                 get along cause [sic] of this
                           pain.  It affected me and my
         6                 former relationship.  Scared to
                           [be] alone after this incident
         7                 happened.  I felt blamed from side
                           of the family.  People thinks rude
         8                 comments about me / talking about
                           me.  Affected my senior year.  Mom
         9                 was being over protective cause of
                           my safety.  That I almost took my
        10                 life away because of what
                           happened.  I was being put down
        11                 alot [sic] that I didn't deserve.
                           I was hiding under a rock.  I cut
        12                 some friends and family off cause
                           I was afraid.  Emotionally wreck
        13                 of myself.  I was always crying
                           that "Why me?  Why is it my
        14                 fault?"  I was in college, then I
                           drank alot to ignore the pain.
        15

        16          And she has signed the document.

        17               Sadly, this Victim Impact Statement is very

        18          representative of what we know about the impact

        19          that sexual assaults have on victims.  Just about

        20          everything enumerated by Ms. F mirrors the things

        21          we often hear sexual assault victims experience:

        22          feelings of isolation; self-blame and depression;

        23          difficulty sleeping; problems in other

        24          relationships; unhealthy and self-destructive

        25          conduct; substance abuse to numb the emotional

        26          pain; difficulties in trusting others and, in

        27          particular, men, if the abuser was a man; and






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         1          suicidal tendencies.  These are the very real and

         2          very sad consequences that Ms. F experienced as a

         3          result of this very intrusive and contemptuous

         4          act Mr. Romie committed against her.

         5               I turn to the circumstances of Mr. Romie

         6          himself.  He is now 26.  He has a criminal

         7          record, but that record does not include

         8          convictions for crimes anywhere nearly as serious

         9          as this one.  He did receive a jail term in 2010.

        10          In 2012 for a series of property offences, he

        11          received a jail term as well, but that jail term

        12          was served as a conditional sentence, so he was

        13          able to serve it in the community.  The offence I

        14          have to sentence him for today is in another

        15          category altogether.  It is far more serious than

        16          any other offence that appears on his record.

        17               I heard that Mr. Romie grew up in difficult

        18          circumstances.  Both his parents are residential

        19          school survivors.  In particular, his father was

        20          taken from his family to be sent to residential

        21          school and spent a number of years there.

        22          Defence counsel advised that bad things happened

        23          to him when he was in residential school.  These

        24          are things he apparently has not discussed with

        25          his son.

        26               I heard that when Mr. Romie was young, there

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         1          home.  There were enough problems that Mr. Romie

         2          was cared for by different people at different

         3          times.  As an infant, he was cared for by an

         4          uncle, but that uncle committed suicide when

         5          Mr. Romie was still very young.  Mr. Romie was

         6          cared for by several of his aunts, at times by

         7          his grandmother, and at times by his parents.

         8          When he was staying with his parents, I am told

         9          he was exposed to the dysfunction in the home.  I

        10          have no doubt that this contributed to Mr. Romie

        11          coming into contact with the criminal justice

        12          system, and I have taken that into account as I

        13          am required to by law given the provisions of the

        14          Criminal Code and the binding cases about how

        15          sentencing of aboriginal offenders must be

        16          approached.

        17               I have, as I am required to, taken judicial

        18          notice of systemic and background factors that

        19          have impacted Mr. Romie as well as his specific

        20          circumstances as they were outlined by his

        21          counsel.  In reaching my decision on this matter,

        22          I have taken those circumstances into account and

        23          I will exercise as much restraint as possible in

        24          the sentence I impose.  I want to add, though,

        25          that in ensuring that the sentence takes into

        26          account Mr. Romie's circumstances and the

        27          challenges he faced as an aboriginal person, the






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         1          Court must also ensure that the sentence also

         2          does justice to his victim.

         3               Ms. F is an aboriginal person too.  I have

         4          very limited information about her and her

         5          background, but the systemic and background

         6          factors which are taken into account in

         7          sentencing Mr. Romie are things that would have

         8          impacted her life as well.  Aboriginal people who

         9          are victimized are entitled to the Court's

        10          protection to the same degree as non-aboriginal

        11          victims, obviously, and the harm that is caused

        12          to them must be acknowledged and reflected in the

        13          sentences imposed by the Court in the same way as

        14          harm caused to non-aboriginal victims has to be

        15          reflected.  So in applying the principles set out

        16          in the Criminal Code and interpreted by the

        17          Supreme Court of Canada cases, it is important

        18          that the harm caused to aboriginal victims of

        19          crimes not be overlooked.

        20               But going back to Mr. Romie's personal

        21          circumstances, I also want to note that there are

        22          very positive things that were said about him at

        23          the sentencing hearing.  I heard that he has led

        24          a largely traditional lifestyle, that he hunts

        25          and fishes and gathers wood, and gathers snow for

        26          the preparation of traditional tea.  He engages

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         1          his family, and other community members,

         2          including elders.  This was confirmed by his

         3          grandmother who spoke to the Court with the

         4          assistance of an interpreter on Monday.  She said

         5          that he visits her regularly when he is in the

         6          community, he makes sure that she eats, and that,

         7          generally speaking, he has been a hard-working,

         8          supportive, and caring grandson to her.

         9               I heard as well that Mr. Romie has worked as

        10          a labourer for various employers to the extent

        11          that work is available to him in Whati.  He has

        12          also worked seasonally as a brush cutter.  Based

        13          on what I heard, it is very clear that Mr. Romie

        14          is not someone who sits around and does nothing.

        15          He is very capable of contributing to his

        16          community and to his family and appears to have

        17          done so fairly consistently over the years.

        18          Unfortunately, this case shows that as is the

        19          case for so many other people, when Mr. Romie

        20          consumes alcohol, he is capable of behaving in a

        21          way that is not the behaviour of a caring

        22          grandson or of a hard-working young father.

        23               Mr. Romie is the only one who has any

        24          control over what he will do for the rest of his

        25          life.  His counsel has said Mr. Romie does not

        26          want to drink, he does not want to become like

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         1          his child to what he was exposed to.  The

         2          decision to stay away from alcohol may be

         3          difficult at times, the Court knows that, but

         4          hopefully Mr. Romie will be able to maintain a

         5          commitment to lead a sober lifestyle.  That way

         6          he cannot only be a good spouse and a good father

         7          and a productive community member, but he can

         8          also become a role model for other young persons

         9          in his community.  He can behave in a way that

        10          makes other people look up to him and want to

        11          lead healthy lifestyles too.

        12               Counsel have correctly identified the

        13          guiding sentencing principles and the basic range

        14          that applies here.  The maximum sentence for the

        15          crime of sexual assault is ten years'

        16          imprisonment.  There is no minimum sentence.  The

        17          range of sentences available for this offence is

        18          very broad, but sentencing courts are guided by

        19          appellate case law in assessing where in that

        20          broad range a particular case fits.

        21               The sexual assault committed by Mr. Romie

        22          was a major sexual assault as that concept has

        23          been defined by appellate decisions that are

        24          routinely applied by the trial courts in this

        25          jurisdiction.  That means the starting point on

        26          sentencing is three years' imprisonment.  This

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         1          type of crime, the harm it causes, and an

         2          offender's blameworthiness for it.  From this

         3          starting point, the sentence must be adjusted to

         4          reflect any mitigating or aggravating factors

         5          that are present.  Here, the main aggravating

         6          factor is the victim's age.  She was under 18 at

         7          the time this happened, and the Criminal Code

         8          specifically says that this is an aggravating

         9          factor.  In fact, even before the Criminal Code

        10          said that, it was for many years treated as an

        11          aggravating factor when the victim of a crime was

        12          a young person.  Here, the person was not a young

        13          child, but she was a young person nonetheless and

        14          that is aggravating.

        15               I think it is also somewhat aggravating that

        16          Mr. Romie told her not to tell anyone about what

        17          happened.  It is not alleged that he threatened

        18          her in any way, but, under the circumstances, the

        19          mere fact of telling her not to tell anyone could

        20          well have intimidated her enough to not disclose

        21          what happened to her, especially given her age,

        22          and if she had not disclosed this, not only would

        23          Mr. Romie not have ever been held accountable for

        24          what he did, but she would have had to cope with

        25          these events without receiving any help and

        26          without being told, as I hope she was, by the

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         1          that this was not her fault.  Let there be no

         2          doubt:  This was not her fault.  It takes courage

         3          and strength to report something like this,

         4          especially in the context of a small, close-knit

         5          community.  Ms. F did a brave thing in reporting

         6          this and she is not to blame for what happened,

         7          she is not to blame for the consequences of it

         8          being reported or for Mr. Romie facing a jail

         9          term today.  The person responsible for that is

        10          Mr. Romie himself, and I hope that everyone in

        11          Whati knows this and understands this.

        12               I make those comments because I know that

        13          often victims are blamed for what happened to

        14          them.  Ms. F's Victim Impact Statement makes some

        15          reference to that, actually.  It may be easier

        16          sometimes to blame the victim rather than to

        17          accept that a loved one behaved in the way

        18          Mr. Romie did.  But victim-blaming is unfair and

        19          is very, very wrong.  Communities and families

        20          must support those who are abused, not blame them

        21          and not ostracize them.

        22               A third aggravating factor is Mr. Romie's

        23          criminal record, although I do not consider it to

        24          be a significant factor because the record is

        25          unrelated.  He does not come before the Court as

        26          a first offender.  He has been before the courts

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         1          before.  But beyond that, I do not find the

         2          record is of particular significance in my

         3          decision today.

         4               There are mitigating factors to consider as

         5          well and the most significant one is the guilty

         6          plea.  Although the term "early guilty plea" was

         7          used in submissions, I do not think this can be

         8          characterized as an early guilty plea.  This

         9          charge has been pending for quite a while and the

        10          decision to change the plea came a few days

        11          before the trial was scheduled to commence.  But

        12          that being said, the timing of the guilty plea

        13          has to be considered in context.  It came, in

        14          this case, after a resolution offer that was made

        15          just last week.  Where an accused person changes

        16          his or her position on a case at the eleventh

        17          hour because a resolution offer is made at the

        18          eleventh hour, it is difficult to hold the

        19          lateness of the plea against that accused.  And

        20          quite apart from timing issues, a guilty plea in

        21          a sexual assault case is always significant

        22          because it spares the victim from having to come

        23          to court to talk about very traumatic events and

        24          very intimate, personal things.  Having seen

        25          many, many victims testify in these types of

        26          trials and having observed firsthand the effect

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         1          cross-examination has on those people, I know

         2          that sparing someone from that is sparing them a

         3          lot.

         4               In addition, a guilty plea provides

         5          certainty of outcome.  It also removes all doubt

         6          for fellow community members and family members

         7          that the events did occur as reported.  There can

         8          be no lingering suspicion that somehow the

         9          accusation was a false one.

        10               By pleading guilty earlier this week,

        11          Mr. Romie has admitted to Ms. F, to her family,

        12          to his family, and to the community of Whati as a

        13          whole that he did do this to her, that she was

        14          telling the truth when she reported it.  This is

        15          meaningful and important, especially in our

        16          small, close-knitted communities in this

        17          jurisdiction.

        18               Last but not least, a guilty plea

        19          demonstrates Mr. Romie's remorse and willingness

        20          to accept responsibility.  He has apologized in

        21          open court to Ms. F and to his family and to her

        22          family and I accept this apology is a sincere

        23          one.  I observed Mr. Romie when his grandmother

        24          was speaking to the court on Monday.  It is clear

        25          he knows that he has caused her hurt and he has

        26          hurt others as well as Ms. F.  I hope that he

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         1          feels today and that this will give him the

         2          strength and the motivation that he needs to stay

         3          away from alcohol and not risk hurting another

         4          person again.  For all of those reasons I have

         5          been talking about, I attach significant weight

         6          to Mr. Romie's guilty plea.

         7               Counsel have made reference to a few cases

         8          from this jurisdiction.  These cases are

         9          illustrations of well-established principles and

        10          considerations that govern sentencing courts when

        11          sentencing people for sexual assault as of the

        12          same level of seriousness as this one.

        13               The prevalence of sexual assaults in this

        14          jurisdiction was something that was commented on

        15          in R. v. Minoza, 2013 NWTSC 78 at paragraphs 27

        16          to 29.  I will not read those paragraphs out loud

        17          now, but they comment on the prevalence of this

        18          type of crime and the importance that this

        19          prevalence not lead to a desensitization of the

        20          courts or of the communities about how serious

        21          these offences are.  The prevalence of these

        22          crimes is one of the reasons why it continues to

        23          be important for the courts to impose sentences

        24          that denounce this conduct.

        25               Those comments were made in the context of

        26          sexual assaults of sleeping or passed out

        27          victims; but they are also applicable to sexual






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         1          assaults of victims who are not passed out or

         2          sleeping, because those types of sexual assaults

         3          are also very prevalent in this jurisdiction.

         4               In Minoza, a sentence of three years and two

         5          months of jail was imposed.  The accused had no

         6          record and the victim was an adult, but the

         7          accused was convicted after trial and the victim

         8          had been assaulted in her own home, in her own

         9          bed, and she was sleeping.  Therefore,

        10          particularly vulnerable.  There were no

        11          mitigating factors in the Minoza case and there

        12          were important aggravating factors.

        13               The second case that was referred to was R.

        14          v. Cli, 2014 NWTSC 69.  In that case, the victim

        15          was also an adult.  She was sleeping in a tent

        16          when she was sexually assaulted.  Mr. Cli was her

        17          friend.  He had waived his preliminary hearing

        18          and had pleaded guilty.  He had a record with a

        19          few convictions for crimes against people but no

        20          convictions for crimes of a sexual nature.  In

        21          that case, a joint submission was presented that

        22          a sentence of two years less a day would be a fit

        23          sentence, and this joint submission was accepted

        24          by the Court.

        25               Another case referred to was R. v.

        26          Laliberte, 2013 NWTSC 70.  In that case, a

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         1          was imposed after the accused pleaded guilty to

         2          having touched a person under 16 years of age for

         3          a sexual purpose.  The offence involved an act of

         4          full intercourse with a teenager who was sleeping

         5          in her home at the time.  In that case, counsel

         6          had also presented a joint submission that was

         7          accepted by the Court.  The guilty plea in that

         8          case was treated as a significant mitigating

         9          factor.

        10               Ultimately, each case must be decided on its

        11          own circumstances, weighing and balancing the

        12          applicable factors.  Mr. Romie is still very

        13          young and there are a lot of positive things that

        14          can be said about him.  Under the circumstances,

        15          I would see little point in imposing a sentence

        16          that would result in him being sent to a

        17          penitentiary in southern Canada to serve his

        18          sentence.  I think making sure that he can serve

        19          his sentence in the Northwest Territories is

        20          something that will ensure that the need for

        21          deterrence and denunciation is addressed while

        22          also supporting his rehabilitation, because if he

        23          remains in the North, he will have easier access

        24          to his support network, his family, and, in

        25          particular, his grandmother for whom it would be

        26          far more difficult to travel to visit him if

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         1               Based on what I was told during the

         2          sentencing hearing, Mr. Romie has spent a total

         3          of 35 days in custody.  But he had been released

         4          on process on this matter.  He found himself in

         5          custody and released a number of times according

         6          to the endorsements on the Territorial Court

         7          file, or I should say there were warrants issued

         8          for his arrest on a few occasions because he was

         9          not in court.

        10               The provision of the Criminal Code that was

        11          referred to this morning by Crown counsel,

        12          Section 719(3.1), takes away the Court's

        13          discretion to give enhanced credit for remand

        14          time in certain circumstances.  But even when

        15          that provision is not specifically engaged, the

        16          Court is not forced to give enhanced credit for

        17          time spent in pre-trial custody.  It depends on

        18          the circumstances of each case.  Here,

        19          considering the overall circumstances and the

        20          fact that Mr. Romie was released on process

        21          originally and now finds himself in custody as a

        22          result of being charged with other offences, I am

        23          not inclined to grant him enhanced credit for the

        24          time he has spent in custody to date.

        25               The Crown has asked for a number of

        26          ancillary orders and I will deal with those

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         1               There will be a DNA order as this is a

         2          primary designated offence.  There will be an

         3          order pursuant to the Sexual Offender Information

         4          Registry Act for a period of 20 years, again

         5          because this is an offence for which such an

         6          order must be made.  There will be a firearms

         7          prohibition order pursuant to Section 109 of the

         8          Criminal Code.  But given what I have heard about

         9          Mr. Romie's traditional activities on the land,

        10          the fact that no weapon was used in the

        11          commission of this offence, and the fact that

        12          there was no violence other than the force

        13          inherent in the act itself, my order will include

        14          the endorsement pursuant to Section 113 that will

        15          give the Registrar of Firearms permission to

        16          allow Mr. Romie to be in the possession of

        17          firearms under specific conditions to be decided

        18          by that officer, the main intention here being to

        19          ensure that when he is released, he can continue

        20          with his traditional activities on the land,

        21          which, in this jurisdiction, often require having

        22          a firearm for hunting, obviously, but also for a

        23          person's own protection given where we live.

        24               Because of the date of this offence, I have

        25          the discretion not to impose a victim of crime

        26          surcharge and I am going to exercise that

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         1          jail term today.  I am satisfied that imposing a

         2          surcharge would result in hardship.

         3               I will also order that any exhibits seized

         4          as part of this investigation be returned to

         5          their rightful owner, if that is appropriate;

         6          otherwise, they can be destroyed; but of course

         7          only once the appeal period has expired.

         8               Stand up, please, Mr. Romie.  Mr. Romie, I

         9          am going to impose a sentence at the very low end

        10          of the range that counsel have suggested.  I

        11          agree with your lawyer that I should keep you in

        12          the Territories to serve your sentence.  If you

        13          had not had any time in custody, I would have

        14          imposed a sentence of two years and 35 days.  For

        15          the 35 days that you have spent in custody, I am

        16          going to give you credit for 36 days, which means

        17          the jail term I am imposing today is two years

        18          less one day, and that means the sentence will be

        19          served here in the Northwest Territories and not

        20          in southern Canada.  Your family will be able to

        21          come visit you and you will have better access to

        22          the people who can support you.  You can sit

        23          down.

        24               Madam Clerk, please ensure that the Warrant

        25          of Committal reflects the amount of remand time,

        26          the credit given, the sentence that would have

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         1          sentence that I am imposing because that is

         2          required under the Criminal Code.

         3               Is there anything I have overlooked from the

         4          Crown's perspective?

         5      MR. GODFREY:           Just one thing, Your Honour.

         6          With respect to the firearms order, I didn't hear

         7          a duration.

         8      THE COURT:             It will commence today and

         9          expire ten years after his release.

        10      MR. GODFREY:           Thank you.

        11      THE COURT:             Because Mr. Romie is in

        12          custody, I assume he is not in possession of any

        13          firearms, but the order will say that they are to

        14          be surrendered forthwith just to complete that

        15          part.  Anything else, Mr. Godfrey?

        16      MR. GODFREY:           No.  Thank you.

        17      THE COURT:             Anything from your

        18          perspective, Mr. Martin?

        19      MR. MARTIN:            No thank you.

        20      THE COURT:             All right.  Thank you,

        21          counsel, for your work in resolving this case.

        22          Close court.

        23               .................................

        24                        Certified Pursuant to Rule 723
                                  of the Rules of Court
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                                  Jane Romanowich, CSR(A)
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