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    R. v. Beaulieu, 2009 NWTSC 48

                                                S-1-CR2008000070

             IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES





             IN THE MATTER OF:





                             HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN





                                  - vs. -





                               GERALD BEAULIEU

             _________________________________________________________

             Transcript of the Reasons for Sentence by The Honourable

             Justice L. A. Charbonneau, at Yellowknife in the Northwest

             Territories, on June 26th A.D., 2009.

             _________________________________________________________

             APPEARANCES:

             Ms. T. Nguyen:                     Counsel for the Crown

             Mr. S. Fix:                        Counsel for the Accused

                  ----------------------------------------

                Charge under s. 271 Criminal Code of Canada

             An order has been made banning publication of the identity
              of the Complainant/Witness pursuant to Section 486.4 of
                           the Criminal Code of Canada





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         1      THE COURT:             Yesterday, Mr. Beaulieu

         2          pleaded guilty to a charge of sexual assault that

         3          occurred on May 2nd, 2008 and these are my

         4          reasons for sentence on this charge.  Before I

         5          begin I want to reiterate that yesterday I issued

         6          an order prohibiting the publication or broadcast

         7          of any information that could identify the

         8          complainant in this matter.

         9               The facts that I heard yesterday are that

        10          the complainant was 69 years old when this

        11          incident happened.  She lived in a house with two

        12          of her children and one adult who was a relative

        13          of the accused.  She had agreed to let the

        14          accused stay in her house because there was

        15          nowhere else for him to stay at the time.

        16               On the day this happened, the complainant,

        17          the accused, and two other people were at the

        18          house and consumed considerable amounts of

        19          alcohol.  The complainant fell asleep on the bed

        20          where she ordinarily slept and sometime later the

        21          accused went to her bed, took her pants and

        22          underwear down, and touched her in her genital

        23          area.  She woke up while he was touching her,

        24          screamed, told him to stop, and called for help.

        25          One of the other adults in the residence came,

        26          pulled the accused off the bed and threw him out

        27          of the house.  The police were called and the





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         1          matter was reported.  The accused was charged and

         2          detained on this charge.  He has been in custody

         3          since then, so he has spent some 14 months on

         4          remand.

         5               The accused has an extensive criminal record

         6          that includes convictions for a variety of

         7          offences.  The first entries are in 1977 and,

         8          sadly, continue on fairly steadily over the

         9          following 30 years.  There are convictions for

        10          property offences, crimes against people,

        11          breaches of court orders.  The sentences imposed

        12          include fines, probation, jail terms of varying

        13          lengths.  The convictions most relevant to this

        14          matter are the last entries because they are for

        15          sexual offences.  There are convictions for two

        16          counts of sexual assault in February 2007 and one

        17          conviction on May 27th, 2008 for an offence of

        18          indecent assault which was committed in 1975 when

        19          the accused was still a youth.

        20               It is important for the purposes of the

        21          record to clarify something about the document

        22          that was filed by the Crown as Exhibit 2 on the

        23          sentencing hearing, that document having been

        24          filed as the accused's criminal record.

        25               The document is not complete because it does

        26          not include the May 27th conviction for indecent

        27          assault.  It is also somewhat misleading or, at





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         1          least confusing, about the nature of the sentence

         2          that was imposed in February 2007.  On its face,

         3          it suggests that the accused received a jail term

         4          of three years on that date which of course

         5          raises questions about how he could have been at

         6          large in May of 2008.  But when I inquired about

         7          this yesterday, I was advised that in fact he had

         8          been remand for some time before he was sentenced

         9          in February of 2007 so what he was sentenced to

        10          that day was 14 months in jail, having been given

        11          credit for 22 months because of his remand time.

        12          And this of course explains why he was at large

        13          in May 2008.

        14               In deciding what a fit sentence is for this

        15          offence I must, as in all cases, consider the

        16          sentencing principles that are set out in the

        17          Criminal Code, the circumstances of the offence,

        18          and the accused's personal circumstances and

        19          background including his aboriginal background

        20          and any particular systemic problems that he

        21          faced which contributed to his coming into

        22          conflict with the law.  And in this case, I must

        23          also give serious consideration to the fact that

        24          counsel have presented me with a joint

        25          submission.

        26               They jointly submit that I should not impose

        27          any further jail term on the accused because of





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         1          the time that he has already spent on remand.

         2          They suggest that that time amounts to a fit

         3          sentence for this offence when the usual credit

         4          is given to him for the remand time.

         5               The type of crime that the accused committed

         6          in May 2008 is, sadly, a very prevalent crime in

         7          this jurisdiction.  This Court has to deal with

         8          sentencings on cases of this sort at a frequency

         9          that is disturbing.  These types of offences, and

        10          by this I mean taking advantage sexually of a

        11          person who is sleeping, are so prevalent in this

        12          jurisdiction that the phenomenon has been labeled

        13          by some as a veritable epidemic.  Because of

        14          this, Courts emphasize the principles of general

        15          deterrence and denunciation when dealing with

        16          these cases.

        17               In this case, it is apparent that personal

        18          deterrence is also an important factor because

        19          the accused's conduct on this occasion shows that

        20          his previous convictions and sentences for

        21          similar offences did not deter him from acting in

        22          this way again.  I am told that he was released

        23          from the sentence imposed in February 2007 on

        24          December 6th, 2007.  So he served ten months of

        25          that 14 month sentence and he had been at large

        26          for less than five months when he committed this

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         1               I must in this case, as I would in any

         2          other, take into account aggravating factors and

         3          mitigating factors that are present.

         4               Dealing first with the aggravating factors,

         5          I agree with the Crown that it is aggravating

         6          that this offence occurred in the victim's home.

         7          In an ideal world, a person should be and feel

         8          safe wherever they are but even in our not so

         9          ideal world, a person should be the safest when

        10          they are within their own home.  This should be

        11          true whether a person has consumed alcohol or

        12          not.  A person sleeping in their own bed,

        13          intoxicated or not, should not have to be

        14          concerned about their personal and sexual

        15          integrity being violated in this way.

        16               I also agree with the Crown that it is

        17          aggravating that the accused had been invited to

        18          stay at the complainant's home and that this

        19          injects an element of breach of trust in this

        20          case.  Like many things, there are different

        21          ranges of breaches of trust but the complainant

        22          let the accused stay at her home out of

        23          generosity.  Presumably if she had not trusted

        24          him she would not have let him do so.  Presumably

        25          she did not expect to have to fear him, otherwise

        26          she would not have let him stay there.  And I

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         1          living in the house.  The accused proved very

         2          unworthy of that trust and I do find that this is

         3          an aggravating feature this case.

         4               I have considered the victim impact

         5          statement that was prepared by the victim a short

         6          time after this happened.  The effect that this

         7          offence had on her is explained in simple but

         8          eloquent terms in that document.  Her comments

         9          are consistent with what we know to be generally

        10          true about these types of crimes.  Even sexual

        11          assaults that do not involve the most serious of

        12          physical violation have an impact on victims.

        13          They rob them of their sense of security and of

        14          their dignity.

        15               This particular complainant, I am told,

        16          passed away from an illness in December 2008, and

        17          it is truly awful to think that, in addition to

        18          coping with her illness in those last months of

        19          her life, she and her family also had to cope

        20          with the impact that this crime had on her.

        21               I have to take into account mitigating

        22          factors.

        23               The accused has pleaded guilty and that is

        24          to his credit.  Guilty pleas are traditionally

        25          considered mitigating because they spare

        26          witnesses, and in particular victims of crime,

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         1          about difficult matters.  They are considered

         2          mitigating because they avoid the costs and time

         3          of a trial . And they are considered mitigating

         4          because they indicate remorse on the part of the

         5          offender.

         6               The first factor does not apply here.  The

         7          victim of this crime was not spared anything by

         8          this guilty plea.  She had to testify at the

         9          preliminary hearing and talk about this, and was

        10          subjected to cross-examination.  As I have

        11          already alluded to, she spent her last living

        12          months with the uncertainty about what might

        13          happen on this case so she was spared nothing.

        14               The guilty plea did avoid the need for a

        15          jury trial and saved resources; and the guilty

        16          plea does demonstrate a willingness by the

        17          accused to take responsibility for what he did.

        18          And this, I agree with counsel, takes on a

        19          special connotation in this case because the

        20          complainant's passing created additional

        21          challenges for the Crown in proving its case

        22          beyond a reasonable doubt.  Even if the

        23          application to use the preliminary hearing

        24          evidence had been successful, the trier of fact,

        25          in this case a jury, would not have had the

        26          benefit of seeing and hearing the witness

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         1          an impact on the weight that they would have been

         2          prepared to give to that the evidence.  So I

         3          accept that the fact that the accused has pleaded

         4          guilty, knowing of those potential challenges in

         5          the Crown's case, is something that must be

         6          acknowledged and he should be given credit for

         7          that.

         8               I also acknowledge and recognize that by

         9          pleading guilty the accused has removed the

        10          uncertainty of outcome that is always present

        11          when a matter goes to trial and may have been

        12          more prevalent in the circumstances of this case.

        13          And although that submission was not specifically

        14          made to me, I imagine that for the complainant's

        15          surviving family it must have removed some

        16          anxiety about the outcome of this whole matter

        17          and may help to bring some closure for them.

        18               The next issue that I must consider is the

        19          credit to be given for the time that the accused

        20          spent on remand.  The accused is entitled to be

        21          given credit for the time that he has spent on

        22          remand.  Counsel submit to me that that credit

        23          should be given to him on a ratio of two for one.

        24          Credit given to remand time is in the Court's

        25          discretion.  Various factors have an impact on

        26          how discretion should be exercised and I want to

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         1          made with respect to that aspect of the case.

         2               First, I disagree with the suggestion that

         3          the accused's consent to remaining in custody

         4          should increase or have any impact on the credit

         5          that he is to be given for the time that he has

         6          spent on remand.  The jurisprudence is fairly

         7          clear that the rationale for giving credit for

         8          remand time on more than one-for-one ratio is

         9          based on a recognition that prisoners on remand

        10          do not earn remission and also to account for the

        11          fact that in some jurisdictions and in some

        12          facilities the detention conditions for remand

        13          prisoners are harsher than those experienced by

        14          serving prisoners.  This includes things like

        15          overcrowding, having access to only a limited

        16          portion of the facility, and the lack of access

        17          to the programs.  I simply do not see how the

        18          fact that a person has consented to their remand

        19          should weigh in the balance.

        20               In this particular case, with the accused's

        21          record - his related convictions and recent

        22          convictions for similar matters and his numerous

        23          convictions for breaches of court orders - the

        24          fact that he did not try to get bail, in my view,

        25          simply reflect the fact that he and his counsel

        26          were realistic about the prospects of being

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         1               The issue of his access to programs is one

         2          where I must say I found the information provided

         3          to the Court less than satisfactory.  There is a

         4          contradiction about whether, for example, he

         5          would have been able to have access to AA.  Both

         6          he and his counsel presented the Court with a

         7          submission that he could not.  The Crown said

         8          that the AA program is available inside the

         9          facility to serving prisoners as well as to

        10          prisoners on remand.  And then there is the

        11          question of the availability of other programs to

        12          prisoners who are on remand.

        13               I am disturbed by this and comment on it

        14          because, as I said yesterday, I have recently

        15          heard in another case, the case of R. v. Avadluk

        16          which proceeded in Hay River about five or six

        17          weeks ago, very detailed submissions about the

        18          access to programming for remand prisoners at the

        19          Yellowknife correctional facility.  What I was

        20          told in that case was that, with the exception of

        21          programs that are offered outside the facility,

        22          remand prisoners have access to all of the same

        23          programs as serving prisoners although serving

        24          prisoners are sometimes given priority which may

        25          mean that a remand prisoner may apply for

        26          something and not be accepted into the program.

        27          So some of the things that I heard in that case





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         1          seem inconsistent with some of the submissions I

         2          heard in this case.

         3               I make mention of this because the issue of

         4          what programs are or are not accessible is an

         5          important one and needs to be presented to the

         6          Court, especially in a case where a person has

         7          spent a significant period of time on remand.

         8          This Court gets told on a regular basis that in

         9          this jurisdiction, at least at the North Slave

        10          Correctional Centre, there is very very little

        11          difference in the detention conditions that

        12          remand prisoners face versus the detention

        13          conditions that serving prisoners face.  So if

        14          there are disagreements about the facts

        15          surrounding things like accessibility to programs

        16          and things that the parties are not agreed on,

        17          then the Court is left in the dark.  It must be

        18          remembered that two-for-one credit for remand

        19          time is not in law automatic, at least not in

        20          this jurisdiction.  There are several examples of

        21          cases where credit is given on a different ratio

        22          for a variety of reasons.  So it is crucial for

        23          the Court to have the necessary information about

        24          this, so it can exercise its discretion on this

        25          point in a principled and consistent way.  In

        26          future cases the Court might be inclined to have

        27          evidence presented on its own motion to resolve





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         1          the types of inconsistencies and contradictions

         2          that emerged in this type of hearing because

         3          surely there is someone who knows the answer to

         4          that question, someone from the correctional

         5          facility who can say authoritatively what the

         6          situation is in that facility.

         7               All that being said, it's clear that the

         8          accused is entitled to credit for the time that

         9          he has spent on remand.  It is also clear that it

        10          is often the case that credit is granted on a

        11          two-for-one ratio and I suppose in an instance

        12          where the information is not conclusive one way

        13          or another, the accused is entitled to the

        14          interpretation that is more favourable to him.

        15          So notwithstanding what I have said, and despite

        16          the fact that I really would have preferred to

        17          have more information to base this decision on, I

        18          am prepared to accept that he should be given

        19          credit on a two-for-one ratio for the 14 months

        20          that he has spent on remand.

        21               As I said at the outset, I must also take

        22          into account the accused's personal

        23          circumstances.  His counsel explained that the

        24          accused was removed from contact with his family

        25          at a young age, first by being placed in

        26          receiving homes and later being sent to

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         1          that I might infer from this and from the

         2          accused's conduct that he was abused in those

         3          facilities.  I do not think that it is

         4          appropriate for me to speculate or infer that he

         5          was the victim of abuse.  But I certainly do

         6          accept that being cut off from his family had an

         7          negative impact on him and contributed to his

         8          subsequent problems.

         9               His record demonstrates that he has

        10          struggled his whole life and constantly has been

        11          in and out of court and in and out of jail.  It

        12          is difficult to assess what, if anything, this

        13          Court could do as part of a sentencing to assist

        14          the accused with his own rehabilitation.  He is

        15          already on probation arising from his last

        16          conviction and he will be on probation for some

        17          time.  So even though there is no resident

        18          probation officer in the community of Jean Marie

        19          River, where the accused proposes to go back when

        20          he is released, one can only hope that Probation

        21          Services will be able to, despite these

        22          challenges, to meaningfully supervise him and

        23          assist him in accessing the programs and support

        24          systems that he needs to remain out of trouble.

        25               The Court has serious concerns about the

        26          protection of the public in this case.  It should

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         1          clear to the accused that the consumption of

         2          alcohol is something that gets him into trouble.

         3          I am not convinced that it can be said that his

         4          problem is an alcohol problem because, as I

         5          commented on yesterday, a lot of people get

         6          intoxicated and do not commit crimes and do not

         7          commit sexual crimes.  But it is clear that the

         8          consumption of liquor is one ingredient that

         9          leads this one particular individual into

        10          trouble.  And despite this, only a few months

        11          after being released from his last sentence he

        12          made the choice to consume alcohol and committed

        13          this further sexual assault.  Even though there

        14          was no penetration in this case, in my view it

        15          was still a serious assault perpetrated on a

        16          somewhat elderly woman in her own home and

        17          someone who was in a particularly vulnerable

        18          position.  So, although I have no doubt that the

        19          accused's intentions to try to grapple with his

        20          issues are sincerely held, I have significant

        21          concerns about whether he will hold true to those

        22          intentions.  But I also bear in mind that it is

        23          inappropriate and unfair to overemphasize a

        24          criminal record at a sentencing hearing.  A

        25          person should not be punished over and over again

        26          for the same crimes by the record being

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         1          give due weight to the principle of

         2          proportionality and to the principles of parity,

         3          that sentences imposed for similar crimes

         4          committed by similar offenders should be similar.

         5          And I must also, as I have already said, take

         6          into account that I have been presented in this

         7          case with a joint submission.

         8               Sentencing is ultimately the responsibility

         9          of the sentencing Judge but a joint submission is

        10          deserving of serious consideration by the Court

        11          and unless it is unreasonable, it should be

        12          followed.

        13               The Crown has said that a sentence of two

        14          years less a day would be appropriate in the

        15          circumstances and this is why, with the credit

        16          given to the remand time, they are in agreement

        17          with defence that no further jail term is

        18          imposed.  In my view that is a position that is

        19          quite generous to the accused in all

        20          circumstances, particularly the very recent

        21          related conviction and the very short amount of

        22          time that the accused was at large before he got

        23          himself intoxicated and committed this further

        24          offence.  On the other hand, I recognize that the

        25          complainant's passing puts the accused's guilty

        26          plea in a unique context as I have already said.

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         1          the joint submission is very much on the lenient

         2          side, I cannot say that it is out of range or

         3          completely unreasonable so I will accept it.  I

         4          am not going to put the accused on probation

         5          because he is already on probation.  But more

         6          importantly, at this point in his life what

         7          happens from now on is really up to him.  I am

         8          confident that Probation Services will do

         9          everything that they can to assist him in his

        10          struggles and dealing with his issues and on the

        11          path that he wants to be on from this point on.

        12          I am sure Probation Services will do their best

        13          to help him and I hope that the accused makes as

        14          much use of their help, supervision, and support

        15          as he can.  But I am also certain that

        16          Mr. Beaulieu has heard many lectures from many

        17          Judges and many probation officers, many case

        18          management officers in jails, and he doesn't need

        19          another lecture from me.  What happens in his

        20          life from this point on is really really up to

        21          him.

        22               So Mr. Beaulieu, please stand.

        23               Mr. Beaulieu, you have heard what I have

        24          said.  I have given this matter a lot of thought

        25          and I have decided to agree with what the lawyers

        26          have suggested.  I am sure they have put a lot of

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         1          considered everything and have really considered

         2          all sorts of things that maybe I do not know.  So

         3          for that reason, although, you have heard me, I

         4          think you are getting a sentence that is at the

         5          very very low end of what could have happened in

         6          this case, I am not going to impose any further

         7          jail on you today.  I am going to sentence you to

         8          one day in jail but that will be considered

         9          served by your attendance here today.  So after

        10          we are done here today, you will be free to go

        11          and I really hope that you will be able to come

        12          to terms with the things that you need to come to

        13          terms with and that I or any other Judge will not

        14          see you again.

        15               All right, you can sit down.

        16      THE ACCUSED:           Yes.

        17      THE COURT:             I am also going to make an

        18          order that any exhibits that are still in the

        19          possession of the RCMP will, if appropriate, be

        20          returned to their lawful owners otherwise they

        21          are to be destroyed at the expiration of the

        22          appeal period.

        23               And finally there is a number of other

        24          orders, Mr. Beaulieu, that I am going to make.

        25               So, first, is an order, a DNA order pursuant

        26          to Section 487.051(2) of the Criminal Code.

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         1          that is included at paragraph a.1 of

         2          Section 487.04 but I have not heard any

         3          submissions suggesting that that order should not

         4          be made so I am making that order.  Madam Clerk

         5          will explain to you these things when we are done

         6          here.

         7               Also, because of the type of charge this is,

         8          it is mandatory that I make an order prohibiting

         9          you from possessing firearms and other items.

        10          Because an order like that was already made, the

        11          Criminal Code says that on a subsequent

        12          conviction that order would be for life except,

        13          Ms. Nguyen, I was looking at it this morning and

        14          as is the case for, by analogy drinking and

        15          driving offences, there is no notice of intention

        16          to seek greater punishment in this case.

        17      MS. NGUYEN:            Yes, the accused hasn't been

        18          served with that so the firearms order should be

        19          treated as if this were a first order.

        20      THE COURT:             So it will be for ten years

        21          after today.  Normally it is ten years after a

        22          person is released but you will be released today

        23          so that will be ten years.

        24               There will also be an order that you have to

        25          register, you have already been subjected to an

        26          order like this but there will be another one, to

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         1          which essentially means that you have to provide

         2          certain information to the registry and keep them

         3          aware of your address and things of that sort.

         4          And the order, I am sure your lawyer can help you

         5          in understanding what your obligations are.

         6          Because you are already subject to an order like

         7          this, it is automatic that this order be

         8          applicable for life so that will be an order

         9          pursuant to 490.013(4) of the Criminal Code.

        10               And finally, pursuant to Section 737 of the

        11          Criminal Code, on an indictable matter the Court

        12          is to impose on you payment of what is called a

        13          Victim of Crime surcharge.  It is $100.  That

        14          money goes into a fund that is designed to assist

        15          victims with various things.  I have heard your

        16          counsel explain that when you have not been in

        17          jail you have been able to work, that you are

        18          going back to Jean Marie River and that you

        19          expect to have employment, and for that reason I

        20          don't see any reason why I should not make the

        21          order that you pay the surcharge.  But I am going

        22          to give you two months to pay it to give you a

        23          chance to go home and start working and get

        24          yourself organized again.

        25      THE ACCUSED:           Okay.

        26      THE COURT:             Have I overlooked anything?

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         1      THE COURT:             Mr. Fix, have I overlooked

         2          anything?

         3      MR. FIX:               No, My Lady -- I apologize,

         4          Your Honour.  Just two things, firstly, I

         5          apologize for not having better information with

         6          respect to the programs available to him.  I

         7          didn't know it was in a state of flux.  Secondly,

         8          the Court made a comment yesterday with respect

         9          to my having an agent here for his appearance and

        10          I just wish to address that just briefly because

        11          I had made arrangements for that appearance

        12          yesterday through court administration and I was

        13          advised --

        14      THE COURT:             -- yesterday you mean?

        15      MR. FIX:               Yesterday's appearance I had

        16          made previously.

        17      THE COURT:             I was talking about Tuesday.

        18      MR. FIX:               Yes, and I wish to address

        19          that, because Tuesday I was first of all told

        20          that -- given information that the appearance was

        21          to be for Monday but Monday was a holiday so it

        22          was directed for Tuesday.  When I contacted court

        23          administration to say that, you know, we might as

        24          well only do this once, I can be here, like when

        25          can I be here to do this.  So it was arranged for

        26          Thursday afternoon.  I was told at the time, and

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         1          that the removal order for Tuesday had been

         2          directed by the Court.  I was asked, or I asked

         3          if the Court would direct then a removal order

         4          for Thursday.  I was told that would not happen,

         5          that the removal order for Tuesday would be

         6          cancelled and that he would not appear and I was

         7          to generate a removal order for Thursday.  So on

         8          that information I didn't retain an agent, I was

         9          on the understanding that he wouldn't appear on

        10          Tuesday.  So it is not a case of me neglecting to

        11          hire an agent, I was operating under obviously

        12          misinformation but information that he would not

        13          attend.  It is not my practice to have my clients

        14          appear in court alone.

        15      THE COURT:             The Court was told on Tuesday

        16          that they were expecting you to have an agent

        17          which fed into, that's what I was told on

        18          Tuesday.

        19      MR. FIX:               My apologies.

        20      THE COURT:             That's not the main item, it's

        21          really a side issue I think.  The matter got

        22          dealt with and that's what matters but thank you

        23          for clarifying that.

        24      MR. FIX:               My apologies, because there

        25          was -- I understood that I needed an agent for

        26          the other matter.

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         1      MR. FIX:               The matter that's in

         2          Territorial Court this morning, to get it

         3          directed there, so I apologize for any

         4          miscommunication and certainly for not having an

         5          agent here for my client.

         6      THE COURT:             Thank you for clarifying.

         7          Anything further?

         8      MR. FIX:               No, thank you.

         9      MS. NGUYEN:            There is one other thing, Your

        10          Honour.  Mr. Beaulieu is on probation.  The

        11          probation officer has indicated she would want

        12          him to report to her immediately.  So if he could

        13          be directed to do that.  There is currently no

        14          direction under the probation order for a

        15          particular date for him to report under that.

        16      THE COURT:             Well the problem of course is

        17          that probation order is on another file in

        18          another court, the Youth Court even, and I am not

        19          placing him on probation so I am not able to do

        20          that.  But let's put it this way, Mr. Beaulieu.

        21          Technically, I have sentenced you to one day

        22          which is served so technically I don't really

        23          have jurisdiction to order you to do anything.

        24          But there is a probation officer here, it's in

        25          your interests to be in touch with them so they

        26          can try to assist you.  So although I am not

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         1          want to talk to Mr. Fix about this, but

         2          especially if you are planning on leaving, I

         3          would strongly suggest that you touch base with

         4          her before you go if only to sort out how this is

         5          all going to work for your meetings, your

         6          appointments, the programs that you might want to

         7          try to take.  It is not an order.  You have heard

         8          the Crown, the probation officer is sitting right

         9          there, and the overall objective of all of these

        10          people is to try to help you.  So in the spirit

        11          of you helping yourself, I leave it with you to

        12          make your choice there.  The first choice that

        13          you have to make after the end of these

        14          proceedings is whether you will or not.

        15               So on that note, counsel, thank you, I have

        16          kept you further than 9:30 but you can tell

        17          whoever who is presiding over in Territorial

        18          Court that it is my fault.

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        20

        21                             Certified correct to the best
                                       of my skill and ability,
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        24

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        26                             Lois Hewitt, CSR(A), RPR, CRR
                                       Court Reporter
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