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             R. v. T.S., 2013 NWTTC 10
                                                 Y-1-YO-2013-000048


             IN THE YOUTH JUSTICE COURT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES





             IN THE MATTER OF:







                             HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN







                                 - vs. -







                                  T. S. (A Young Person)



             _________________________________________________________

             Transcript of the Reasons for Bail Release by The Honourable

             Chief Judge R. D. Gorin, at Yellowknife in the Northwest

             Territories, on April 23rd A.D., 2013.

             _________________________________________________________

             APPEARANCES:

             Ms. W. Miller:                     Counsel for the Crown

             Ms. C. Wawzonek:                   Counsel for the Accused




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         1     THE COURT:            This is my decision on the

         2         Crown's request that T.S., a young person, be

         3         detained until his charges are dealt with in

         4         full. Mr. S. is charged with five offences,

         5         all of which arise out of an incident that

         6         occurred on or about March 10th of this year

         7         in Yellowknife.  He is charged with

         8             1. Possessing a restricted firearm,

         9         without a permit or license, contrary to

        10         Section 95(a) of the Criminal Code.

        11             2. Carrying a firearm for a purpose

        12         dangerous to the public peace contrary to

        13         Section 88 of the Criminal Code.

        14             3. Carrying a concealed weapon contrary to

        15         Section 90 of the Criminal Code.

        16             4. Knowingly possessing a restricted

        17         firearm in a motor vehicle contrary to

        18         Section 94 of the Criminal Code.

        19             5. Possessing cocaine for the purpose of

        20         trafficking contrary to Section 5(2) of the

        21         Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.

        22             The newly enacted subsections (2) and (3)

        23         of Section 29 of the Youth Criminal Justice

        24         Act set out requirements that must be

        25         fulfilled in order for the Court to order a

        26         young person detained pending his trial.

        27             Subsection (3) of Section 29 provides that





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         1         the onus of satisfying the Court that the

         2         necessary requirements have been fulfilled is

         3         on the prosecution.  This new provision, along

         4         with the fact that the former subsection (2)

         5         has been replaced with a complete process on

         6         determining interim judicial release of young

         7         persons, greatly simplifies matters.  There no

         8         longer exists the complex and somewhat

         9         confusing regime concerning what could, for

        10         example, result in the defence bearing the

        11         onus on the primary and tertiary grounds, set

        12         out in Section 515(10) of the Criminal Code,

        13         and the Crown bearing the onus on the

        14         secondary ground, all in the same hearing.

        15         The new provisions appear to be a considerable

        16         improvement in terms of clarity and

        17         simplicity.

        18             Subsection (2) of Section 29 provides that

        19         number of requirements must be fulfilled in

        20         order for the Court to order a young person

        21         detained pending his trial.

        22             The first requirement is set out in

        23         subsection (2)(a) of Section 29.

        24             (2) A youth justice court judge or

        25             justice may order that a young

        26             person be detained in custody only

        27             if





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         1                  (a) the young person has been

         2                  charged with

         3                           (i) a serious offence, or

         4                           (ii) an offence other than

         5                            a serious offence, if they

         6                           have a history that indicates

         7                           a pattern of either outstanding

         8                           charges or findings of guilt.

         9             So in order to detain a young person, he

        10         must be charged with either a serious offence

        11         or have a history that indicates a pattern of

        12         outstanding charges or findings of guilt.

        13             In this case, Mr. S. has no past criminal

        14         record and no outstanding charges.  The Crown

        15         relies on the fact that the charges alleged

        16         are "serious offences".  As conceded by

        17         defence counsel that requirement is met.

        18             Section 2 of the Act defines a "serious

        19         offence" as being an indictable offence under

        20         on a act of Parliament for which the maximum

        21         punishment is imprisonment for five years or

        22         more.

        23             Given the wording of this definition, the

        24         maximum punishment referred to is of course

        25         the maximum punishment for an adult.  As

        26         stated, all five of Mr. S.'s charges fit

        27         within the foregoing definition.





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         1             The next requirement that must be

         2         fulfilled is set out in subsection (2)(b) A

         3         young person cannot be detained unless

         4             (b) the judge or justice is

         5             satisfied on a balance of

         6             probabilities,

         7                  (i) that there is a

         8                  substantial likelihood that,

         9                  before being dealt with

        10                  according to law, the young

        11                  person will not appear in

        12                  court when required by law to

        13                  do so,

        14                  (ii) that detention is

        15                  necessary for the protection

        16                  or safety of the public,

        17                  including any victim of or

        18                  witness to the offence,

        19                  having regard to all the

        20                  circumstances, including a

        21                  substantial likelihood that

        22                  the young person will, if

        23                  released from custody, commit

        24                  a serious offence, or

        25                  (iii) in the case where the

        26                  young person has been charged

        27                  with a serious offence and





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         1                  detention is not justified

         2                  under subparagraph (i) or

         3                  (ii), that there are

         4                  exceptional circumstances

         5                  that warrant detention and

         6                  that detention is necessary

         7                  to maintain confidence in the

         8                  administration of justice,

         9                  having regard to the

        10                  principles set out in Section

        11                  3 and to all the

        12                  circumstances, including

        13                           (A) the apparent strength of

        14                           the prosecution's case,

        15                           (B) the gravity of the offence,

        16                           (C) the circumstances surrounding

        17                            the commission of the offence,

        18                            including whether a firearm

        19                            was used, and

        20                           (D) the fact that the young

        21                           person is liable on being

        22                           found guilty for a potentially

        23                           lengthy custodial sentence.

        24             So the subsection states that in order for

        25         the Court to detain the young person, the

        26         Court must find, on a balance of

        27         probabilities, and once again I paraphrase,





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         1         that either there is a substantial likelihood

         2         that a young person will not show up for

         3         court; or, that the young person's detention

         4         is necessary to protect the safety of the

         5         public, including any victim or witness to the

         6         offence, having regard to all the

         7         circumstances, including the substantial

         8         likelihood that the young person will, if

         9         released, from custody commit a serious

        10         offence (which has previously been defined);

        11         or, where there are exceptional circumstances

        12         that warrant detention and detention is

        13         necessary to maintain confidence in the

        14         administration of justice, having regard to

        15         the principles set out in Section 3 of the

        16         Youth Criminal Justice Act, and to all the

        17         circumstances including, but not limited to,

        18         certain enumerated factors which I won't

        19         repeat.

        20             For the purpose of analysis, I think that

        21         there are a number of phrases used in

        22         subsection (2)(b) that requires some

        23         clarification.  The first is the term

        24         "substantial likelihood" which appears twice

        25         in subparagraph (2)(b).  Some may think it

        26         interesting that the wording of the subsection

        27         requires that the Court find, on a balance of





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         1         probabilities, that a substantial likelihood

         2         exists.  However the word "likelihood" can be

         3         differentiated from the word "likely".

         4             A likelihood can be described as a chance,

         5         risk, threat or danger.  Certainly that was

         6         the view expressed by the Alberta Court of

         7         Appeal in the case of R. v. Link, 1990 ABCA

         8         55.

         9             As stated by Justice Herradence speaking

        10         for the entire Court,

        11             We do not understand the word

        12             "likelihood" in Section 515(10)(b)

        13             of the Criminal Code to be

        14             synonymous with the word

        15             "probability".  That term is often

        16             used in the law meaning more

        17             likely than not.  We are of the

        18             view that substantial likelihood

        19             in the section means simply a

        20             substantial risk.  The only

        21             reasonable conclusion in the

        22             circumstances of this case is that

        23             such risk exists.  The order of

        24             the learned chambers judge must be

        25             set aside and the respondent is

        26             ordered detained.

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         1         there is a substantial risk that the accused

         2         will not show up for court if bail is granted.

         3             Certainly the Crown has alleged no

         4         criminal record; however, Mr. S. also has no

         5         ties to the community of Yellowknife.  He

         6         resides outside of the Northwest Territories

         7         in British Columbia.  He is only 18 years old

         8         and it is not clear whether on his own he has

         9         the means, or at least the legitimates means,

        10         to travel from his place of residence in BC to

        11         Yellowknife where his court proceedings would

        12         take place.  I have not been advised of any

        13         assets that he could liquidate and these

        14         factors cause me to conclude that, without

        15         adequate safeguards, there is a substantial

        16         risk that he would not attend court when

        17         required to do so.

        18             Next, I must ask myself whether it has

        19         been established that detention is necessary

        20         to protect the public.  Once again I must

        21         consider that Mr. S. has no criminal record

        22         whatsoever.  However, I also take into account

        23         the fact that the Crown alleges that the

        24         accused young person was involved in

        25         gang-related activity.

        26             I also bear in mind the specific nature of

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         1         firearm which Mr. S. is said to have

         2         possessed.  It is alleged that he possessed it

         3         and passed it to his co-accused Mr. Petten,

         4         who was the far more threatening of the two

         5         during the circumstances which led to their

         6         arrest.

         7             In answering whether Mr. S.'s detention is

         8         necessary to protect the public, I am required

         9         to consider whether there is a substantial

        10         risk that he would commit a serious offence if

        11         released.  I think that the allegations

        12         strongly suggest that Mr. S. is involved, to

        13         at least some degree, with organized crime as

        14         that term is defined in the Criminal Code.

        15         His co-accused, an adult, stated that he, that

        16         is the adult, was a member of the Nomads who

        17         the Crown described as an "outlaw motorcycle

        18         gang".

        19             Mr. S., along with Mr. Petten, is said to

        20         have banged on the door to the Raven.  Mr.

        21         Petten is alleged to have yelled "you want

        22         some heat?" and "who wants to get shot?"

        23         while patting his belt line.  The Crown says

        24         that witnesses observe the two passing a

        25         firearm between them.  Obviously the

        26         circumstances that are alleged were very

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         1             It is alleged that the two left in a cab

         2         following this incident.  The Crown advises

         3         that the taxi driver saw Mr. Petten pass the

         4         gun back to Mr. S. while in the taxi.

         5             The two were eventually arrested.  The

         6         handgun, a 45 calibre semiautomatic Remington,

         7         was found on the floor of the cab along with

         8         six bullets loaded in the magazine.  Mr.

         9         Petten was found with a cell phone and a

        10         substantial amount of cash.  Mr. S. was found

        11         holding two baggies of powder cocaine weighing

        12         2 grams and five baggies of crack cocaine

        13         weighing 2.7 grams.

        14             As stated, there is a strong suggestion

        15         that the accused is associated with organized

        16         crime, whether or not he is associated with

        17         the actual organization referred to by his

        18         co-accused.

        19             Due to this factor and given the

        20         allegations and the strength the Crown's case,

        21         which appears, on its face, to be solid, I

        22         find that if the accused were left to his own

        23         devices, there would exist a substantial risk

        24         that he would commit a serious offence if

        25         released.  This concern is such that I find

        26         that, without adequate safeguards, his

        27         detention is necessary in order to protect the





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         1         public.

         2             Next I must consider the application of

         3         subparagraph(2)(b)(iii).  Subparagraph(2)(b)(iii)

         4         requires in order for it to apply that

         5         detention must not be justified under

         6         subparagraph (i) or (ii).

         7             I take this to mean that for subparagraph

         8         (2)(b)(iii) to apply, the accused must not

         9         ultimately be ordered detained on either the

        10         primary or secondary ground.  It would result

        11         in an absurdity if the tertiary ground could

        12         not apply to a situation where the risks

        13         referred to in subparagraph (2)(b)(i) and (ii)

        14         (the primary and seconday grounds) are made

        15         out but where the accused would otherwise be

        16         released on conditions that adequately address

        17         those risks.

        18             Having said that, I find that the tertiary

        19         ground set out in subparagraph (2)(b)(iii)

        20         does not apply in the present case.

        21             R. v. W. (R.E.) (2006), 205 C.C.C. (3d)

        22         183, 36 C.R. (6th) 134 (Ont. C.A.) is a case

        23         that deals with the application of the

        24         "exceptional cases" gateway to custody

        25         provided for by Section 39(1)(d) of the Youth

        26         Criminal Justice Act.  However, it is a useful

        27         decision in determining what the term





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         1         "exceptional circumstances", as it is used in

         2         subsection 29(2)(b)(ii) requires.

         3             The Court considered the interpretation of

         4         the word "exceptional" at length.  The Court

         5         held that the bulk of the existing

         6         jurisprudence was consistent with the term

         7         "exceptional" meaning the "clearest of cases".

         8         The Court ultimately held that exceptional

         9         cases, as the term is used in Section 39(1)(d),

        10         are limited to the clearest of cases where a

        11         custodial disposition is obviously the only

        12         disposition that can be justified.

        13             For the reasons articulated by the Ontario

        14         Court of Appeal in R. v. W.(R.E.), I find that

        15         the term "exceptional circumstances" used in

        16         subsection 29(2)(b)(iii) limits application of

        17         the tertiary ground set out in that

        18         subparagraph to the clearest of circumstances.

        19         The fact that a particular crime is rare will

        20         not in and of itself bring it within the scope

        21         of the exceptional circumstances requirement.

        22         Nor will the fact that a crime is not rare

        23         necessarily remove it from the exceptional

        24         circumstances requirement.

        25             As I have stated, the Crown's case appears

        26         solid and the offences are serious and a

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         1         the accused's actions and involvement appear

         2         to have been far less threatening than those

         3         of his alleged accomplice.

         4             As far as the prospect of a lengthy

         5         custodial term being imposed is concerned, the

         6         Crown is, I am told, not attempting to deal

         7         with Mr. S.'s matters in adult court.  Ms.

         8         Wawzonek contends that even if Mr. S. were

         9         convicted on all of the counts on the court,

        10         the Keinapple principle might well prevent

        11         convictions from being entered on all of those

        12         counts.  Under the circumstances I find it

        13         unnecessary to determine whether Ms. Wawzonek

        14         is correct in that regard.  All of the charges

        15         arise from the same set of circumstances.

        16         Even if Keinapple does not apply, it would

        17         seem clear that if Mr. S. were convicted on

        18         all counts and custody were imposed on all

        19         counts, a number of the custodial terms would

        20         be concurrent.

        21             I do not think it has been established

        22         that this matter falls within the clearest of

        23         cases where detention is required in order to

        24         maintain confidence in the administration of

        25         justice.

        26             The allegations are certainly very

        27         disturbing; however, I find that the present





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         1         circumstances are not such that a reasonable

         2         and fully informed individual, appreciating

         3         the presumption of innocence, the Charter

         4         right but not to be denied reasonable bail

         5         without just cause, the factors set out in

         6         Section 3 of the Youth Criminal Justice Act,

         7         and the specific factors enumerated in

         8         subparagraph (2)(b)(iii), including the

         9         alleged use of the firearm, would lose

        10         confidence in the administration of justice

        11         were Mr. S. released.  I think that a

        12         reasonable person would appreciate that, where

        13         circumstances permit, a person accused of even

        14         a serious crime should not be, in effect,

        15         punished prior to being found guilty.

        16             After having gone through the analysis

        17         required by Section 29(2), I find that the

        18         necessary requirements for a detention order

        19         set out in subparagraphs (2)(a) and (b) are

        20         present.  However, in order to detain the

        21         accused young person I must also find that the

        22         requirements of subparagraph 2(c) are met.

        23         That subparagraph requires that

        24             (c) the judge or justice is

        25             satisfied, on a balance of

        26             probabilities, that no condition

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         1             release would, depending on the

         2             justification on which the judge

         3             or justice relies under paragraph (b)

         4                  (i) reduce, to a level below

         5                  substantial, the likelihood

         6                  that the young person would

         7                  not appear in court when

         8                  required by law to do so,

         9                  (ii) offer adequate

        10                  protection to the public from

        11                  the risk that the young

        12                  person might otherwise

        13                  present, or

        14                  (iii) maintain confidence in

        15                  the administration of

        16                  justice.

        17             Subparagraph 2(c)(iii) is not applicable

        18         since I have already found that the tertiary

        19         ground does not apply.  I therefore need only

        20         consider whether the Crown has established, on

        21         a balance of probabilities, that subparagraph

        22         (2)(c)(i) or 2(c)(ii) are not made out.

        23             The first question that I must ask myself

        24         is whether or not it has been established, on

        25         a balance of probabilities, that there is no

        26         release plan that would reduce the risk that

        27         the accused will not show up to court to a





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         1         level that is not substantial.

         2             Defence counsel proposes that during

         3         weekdays Mr. S. reside with a close family

         4         friend Ms. Duggan in Aldergrove, British

         5         Columbia.  His stepmother, who has acted as

         6         his parent for many years, also lives in

         7         Aldergrove with two other brothers of Mr. S.

         8         It is proposed that Mr. S. live with her on

         9         weekends when he is not working, should he

        10         find work.  Ms. Wawzonek also proposes that a

        11         round-trip ticket be purchased and a copy of

        12         the ticket be provided to the clerk of the

        13         court in order to demonstrate that Mr. S. has

        14         the financial ability to return for court in

        15         the future.  She proposes that both the mother

        16         and Ms. Duggan act as sureties.  She proposes

        17         a telephone reporting condition to the RCMP in

        18         Yellowknife.  She requests that Mr. S. be

        19         required to surrender himself to the RCMP, in

        20         Yellowknife, 48 hours before his next required

        21         court appearance.  She states that if he does

        22         not so report or surrender, he can be

        23         immediately arrested.

        24             I find that the foregoing plan does not

        25         completely eliminate the risk that Mr. S. will

        26         not attend court.  But that is not the

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         1         the plan and ask myself whether or not I am

         2         satisfied on a balance of probabilities that a

         3         practicable release plan will not reduce to a

         4         level below substantial the risk that Mr. S.

         5         will not attend court as required.

         6             I find that in this instance,

         7         notwithstanding Ms. Miller's capable efforts,

         8         the Crown has not met its onus.  However, I

         9         also find that in addition to what defence

        10         counsel originally proposed, significant

        11         financial sureties are required, from each of

        12         the personal sureties suggested, in order to

        13         lessen the risk to the required level.

        14             Next, I have to ask myself whether or not

        15         it has been established on a balance of

        16         probabilities that any viable release plan

        17         would not adequately protect the public.

        18             Placed within the context of my previous

        19         analysis under subparagraph (2)(b)(ii), the

        20         question might be framed as being whether a

        21         release plan could reduce the risk of Mr. S.

        22         committing a serious offence to the point that

        23         it is not a substantial risk.

        24             Once again the fact that Mr. S. has no

        25         criminal record is of importance when

        26         assessing whether or not the risk of him

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         1         conditions of release, be reduced to a level

         2         below substantial.

         3             The absence of a record shows that he has

         4         previously been of good behaviour.

         5             The fact that Mr. S. will be in British

         6         Columbia, except when he attends Yellowknife

         7         Court and surrenders himself to the RCMP

         8         detachment, will actually afford protection to

         9         witnesses and any alleged victims.

        10             Defence counsel further proposes that Mr.

        11         S. be under house arrest unless he is working

        12         or in one of his sureties' immediate company.

        13             Once again, I think with adequate

        14         financial sureties provided by each of the

        15         personal sureties, the proposed plan

        16         considerably lessens the risk that further

        17         crimes will be committed by Mr. S.

        18             Given his apparent association with

        19         organized crime, the possibility of further

        20         crimes was my primary concern.  I think that

        21         the conditions proposed lessen the risk of

        22         further serious offences to a level below

        23         substantial.  They also reduce my already

        24         limited concerns that Mr. S. might pose a

        25         threat to the safety of witnesses or alleged

        26         victims.

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         1         by defence counsel, I find that, with the

         2         personal sureties suggested and with the

         3         further monetary sureties that I think are

         4         necessary, the Crown has not discharged its

         5         onus.  I find that at the end of the day I am

         6         not satisfied that it has been established on

         7         a balance of probabilities that the proposed

         8         plan would not offer adequate protection to

         9         the public from the risk that Mr. S. might

        10         otherwise present.

        11             Therefore I order him released on

        12         conditions.  The conditions will, to a large

        13         extent, be those suggested by defence counsel.

        14             Mr. S. will be released upon his entering

        15         into a recognizance.  Ms. Duggan and his

        16         stepmother are to both act as sureties and

        17         both are to deposit $250 and pledge $1500 as

        18         monetary sureties.

        19             He is to provide a copy of a return ticket

        20         in his name, both to and from British

        21         Columbia, to the clerk of the court.  This

        22         will have to be done in order to perfect the

        23         recognizance.

        24             The acknowledgment of surety forms will

        25         also need to be signed off in the amounts that

        26         I have indicated in order for the recognizance

        27         to be perfected.





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         1             He is to reside with Ms. Duggan at her

         2         place of residence from Monday to Friday.

         3         That will be at the address referred to by

         4         counsel.

         5             He is to reside with his stepmother on the

         6         weekends, also at the address provided by

         7         counsel.

         8             He is to report to the RCMP detachment in

         9         Yellowknife by telephone each Friday between

        10         the hours of nine in the morning and 4:30 in

        11         the afternoon.

        12             He is not to be outside of his place of

        13         residence at any time except for the purpose

        14         of going to and from and attending his place

        15         of employment in Aldergrove, British Columbia

        16         should he obtain employment.  And to be clear,

        17         that will be half an hour before work begins

        18         and half an hour after work ends.

        19             The other exception will be to travel to

        20         Yellowknife for court.

        21             He is not to attend his father's place of

        22         residence under any circumstances.

        23             He is to have no contact whatsoever

        24         indirectly or indirectly with Mr. Petten.

        25         What was the full name?   In any event, you

        26         can provide that, Ms. Miller, to the clerk of

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         1     MS. MILLER:           Thank you, sir.

         2     THE COURT:            I don't believe that the

         3         names of any witnesses or victims have been

         4         provided with the exception of Ms. Bardak.  So

         5         to be on the safe side he is to have no

         6         contact whatsover directly or indirectly with

         7         Lydia Bardak.

         8             He is not to possess any cellular

         9         communication device, any firearm, ammunition,

        10         explosive device, or any other weapon.  The

        11         only exception will be that he will be allowed

        12         to possess a knife while eating a meal for the

        13         purpose of eating a meal.

        14             He is not to possess or consume alcohol or

        15         any other intoxicants except in accordance

        16         with a prescription from a licensed medical

        17         practitioner.

        18             He is to surrender himself into the

        19         custody of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police

        20         in Yellowknife at least 48 hours prior to his

        21         attendance in court where his attendance is

        22         required.  Upon his arrival in Yellowknife,

        23         for the purpose of attending court, he is to

        24         immediately proceed to the local RCMP

        25         detachment for the purpose of surrendering

        26         himself into custody.

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         1         the return date.  What are you suggesting,

         2         counsel?

         3     MS. WAWZONEK:         Perhaps two weeks, Your

         4         Honour.

         5     THE COURT:            Two weeks.  When would that

         6         be - May the 7th?

         7     MS. WAWZONEK:         Yes, it is.  Actually, Your

         8         Honour, I apologize, I'm in the Supreme Court

         9         that week.  May 13th, please.

        10     THE COURT:            May 13th, 9:30.  Of course

        11         you can appear on his behalf should you file

        12         the necessary designation of counsel.

        13     MS. WAWZONEK:         Your Honour, the only way

        14         that I will be able to do that is if he enters

        15         an election.

        16     MS. MILLER:           I can elect.

        17     THE COURT:            Although I think that --

        18     MS. MILLER:           -- I am in a position to

        19         elect, Your Honour.  We are proceeding by

        20         indictment.

        21     THE COURT:            And of course Section 5(2)

        22         of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act is

        23         indictable by law.  Fair enough.

        24     MS. WAWZONEK:         Yes, Your Honour.

        25     THE COURT:            You don't know if you are

        26         counsel of record at this point?

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         2         application until he has made his election.

         3     THE COURT:            I am just saying that you

         4         could.

         5     MS. WAWZONEK:         Yes, sir. If the Court and

         6         the Crown will allow, I certainly would intend

         7         to continue to appear and I would expect that

         8         I would in due course be counsel of record.

         9     THE COURT:            Fine.  I am not going to

        10         make any order under the circumstances.

        11     MS. WAWZONEK:         Thank you, sir.

        12     THE COURT:            So then to that date, and

        13         9:30 is fine with you?

        14     MS. WAWZONEK:         Yes please, sir.

        15     THE COURT:            Anything further on this?

        16         I can't think of anything but I may have

        17         missed something.

        18     MS. WAWZONEK:         I don't think so, Your

        19         Honour.

        20     THE COURT:            Ms. Miller?

        21     MS. MILLER:           No, Your Honour, I believe

        22         you covered all of the conditions which were

        23         discussed before, thank you.

        24     THE COURT:            Thank you both for your

        25         assistance, you have both been helpful.

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