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        R. v. Carpenter, 2011 NWTSC 61

                                                S-1-CR-2011-000087



             IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES



             IN THE MATTER OF:



                             HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN





                                     - vs. -





                                 VERNON CARPENTER

             _________________________________________________________

             Transcript of the Reasons for Sentence by The Honourable

             Justice L. A. Charbonneau, at Yellowknife in the

             Northwest Territories, on 28th November A.D., 2011.

             _________________________________________________________



             APPEARANCES:

             B. MacPherson, Esq.:               Counsel for the Crown

             T. Bock, Esq.:                     Counsel for the Accused



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               Charge under s. 271, 279(2) Criminal Code of Canada
                 An order has been made banning publication of the
             identity of the Complainant/Witness pursuant to Section
                     486.4 of the Criminal Code of Canada



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         1     THE COURT:                Good afternoon, Mr.

         2         Bock.  Did you want Mr. Carpenter sitting with

         3         you?

         4     MR. BOCK:                 Yes please.  Thank you,

         5         Your Honour.

         6     THE COURT:                So I am ready to give my

         7         decision on this matter.  Before I give my

         8         reasons, I just want to remind everyone that

         9         there is a publication ban in effect which

        10         prohibits the publication or broadcast of any

        11         information that could identify the

        12         complainant in this matter.

        13             Mr. Carpenter has pleaded guilty to having

        14         sexually assaulted his 20-year-old niece back

        15         in March of 2011.  Today it is my

        16         responsibility to sentence him for this

        17         offence.  This morning I heard submissions,

        18         and I do want to thank both of you, Counsel,

        19         for your submissions because they were very

        20         thorough, they were very reasonable, and they

        21         were very balanced.  The book of authorities

        22         that was filed by Crown counsel was also very

        23         helpful.  Sentencing of course is an

        24         individualized process.  No two cases are ever

        25         the same but it is always helpful to review

        26         decisions made in cases that are similar in

        27         nature which require balancing the same kinds





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         1         of considerations as the ones that I have to

         2         balance today in arriving at my decision.  So

         3         I thank you for those authorities as well.

         4             Sentencing is one of the most difficult

         5         tasks for a sentencing Judge precisely because

         6         it requires balancing a lot of things in

         7         trying to arrive at a fit sentence for the

         8         crime that was committed.  Judges have to take

         9         into account the crime that was committed, the

        10         circumstances of the person who committed it,

        11         and the general sentencing principles that are

        12         set out in the Criminal Code.

        13             Mr. Carpenter has admitted the

        14         circumstances of this offence.  He has

        15         admitted that on March 1st, the victim and

        16         four of her friends were at his residence,

        17         that hard alcohol was consumed by all, that

        18         she blacked out at one point.  When she woke

        19         up she was in his bedroom.  She tried to leave

        20         but he blocked the door and then she blacked

        21         out again.  The next time she regained

        22         consciousness she was in his bed and he was

        23         having sexual intercourse with her.  At one

        24         point she said something to him about needing

        25         to get to the grocery store before it closed.

        26         She put her clothes back on, her pants and her

        27         underwear, and left the house.  Those are the





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         1         circumstances of the offence.

         2             Mr. Carpenter, I heard, is 30 years old.

         3         He is an aboriginal man who has lived his

         4         whole life in Tuktoyaktuk.  I will get back to

         5         the fact that he is an aboriginal offender in

         6         a moment because that means I have a

         7         responsibility to approach his sentencing in a

         8         manner that takes into account any systemic

         9         factors that he may have faced as an

        10         aboriginal person that may have contributed to

        11         his coming into conflict with the law or may

        12         justify an approach in sentencing that would

        13         be different than what might otherwise be the

        14         case; but I have also heard that he has

        15         maintained a good work record, working at

        16         various jobs in his home community.  He has

        17         held a variety of different jobs available to

        18         him in that community and has made productive

        19         use of his time.  I have heard that he has

        20         always lived with his father and is very close

        21         to him, and that he spent considerable time

        22         over the years engaged in activities out on

        23         the land, hunting and fishing more

        24         specifically, and that is something that he

        25         enjoys.  There are other aspects about his

        26         personal circumstances that I will refer to a

        27         little bit later in these reasons.





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         1             As for the sentencing principles, as I

         2         said at the start, any sentencing requires

         3         balancing all of the principles that are set

         4         out in the Criminal Code as well as those

         5         developed in the case law.  I am not going to

         6         read out sections of the Criminal Code this

         7         afternoon but I have reviewed them during my

         8         deliberations.  Sentencing has many objectives

         9         and they include discouraging the offender and

        10         others from committing crimes, and denouncing

        11         crimes, which means making it clear that

        12         society disapproves of the conduct in

        13         question.  Another objective is to

        14         rehabilitate offenders because ultimately that

        15         is the best way to protect the public.  These

        16         are only some of the sentencing objectives but

        17         they are the ones that come to mind most in

        18         this case.

        19             To achieve these objectives there are a

        20         number of principles that must guide the

        21         Court.  Proportionality is the fundamental

        22         sentencing principle and it means that a

        23         sentence should be proportionate to the

        24         gravity of the offence and the degree of

        25         blameworthiness of the offender.  There are

        26         other important principles.  Aggravating and

        27         mitigating factors must be considered.  As I





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         1         have already alluded to, Courts are to pay

         2         particular attention to the circumstances of

         3         aboriginal offenders when deciding whether

         4         gaol terms should be imposed and, if so, when

         5         deciding the length of gaol terms to be

         6         imposed.  Parity has to be considered.  This

         7         means simply that when people of similar

         8         circumstances commit similar offences, the

         9         sentence that they receive should be similar.

        10         And, as I have already mentioned, Courts must

        11         never lose sight of the objective of

        12         rehabilitation because that, if it can be

        13         achieved, is the best way to protect the

        14         public in the long term.  So all of these

        15         things must be taken into account and

        16         balancing of these factors I must decide what

        17         a fit sentence is for this crime.

        18             The sentencing submissions I heard from

        19         counsel are not that far apart and this

        20         demonstrates that they have both approached

        21         this case in a realistic, fair and reasonable

        22         way.  The Crown is suggesting that a sentence

        23         of three years is a fit sentence for this

        24         crime and that any credit given for the time

        25         that Mr. Carpenter has spent on remand should

        26         be on a ratio of one for one.  Defence counsel

        27         has suggested that the sentence could start





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         1         off at a bit lower point than three years and

         2         that once the remand time is taken into

         3         account, I could impose a sentence of a high

         4         end of what is referred to as the territorial

         5         range.  This simply means a sentence under

         6         two years because if the sentencing is under

         7         two years it will be served in a territorial

         8         institution.  If it is over two years, in

         9         theory at least, it would be served in a

        10         federal penitentiary in southern Canada.

        11         Although some offenders are sometimes

        12         permitted to serve penitentiary sentences here

        13         in the north, that is something that is up to

        14         Corrections and over which the Court has no

        15         control.  The bottom line of the Crown's

        16         position is that I impose a sentence of

        17         28 months whereas the Defence position would

        18         be something close to two years but under

        19         two years.

        20             The kind of incident that I heard about

        21         this morning, and that I just referred to when

        22         I summarized the facts, is extremely prevalent

        23         in the Northwest Territories.  I have had

        24         occasion to comment on this, unfortunately,

        25         several times in several different cases and

        26         most recently, just last week, when I gave my

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         1         NWTSC 60, which was a case arising from the

         2         community of Behchoko.  I have said then, and

         3         I say again, that it boggles the mind how

         4         prevalent this type of crime is.  It has been

         5         referred to in various ways by this Court over

         6         the years.  Words like "epidemic" and

         7         "disease" have been used, and while some might

         8         think this is a melodramatic or exaggerated

         9         way to describe it, I do not think it is.  The

        10         sad reality is that these types of facts, the

        11         sexual assault of a woman who is sleeping or

        12         passed out, is a common occurrence in this

        13         jurisdiction.  The prevalence of this offence

        14         is referred to in almost every decision that

        15         is included in the Crown's book of

        16         authorities.  The Court referred to it at

        17         paragraph 3 in R v. Kodzin [2011] N.W.T.J. No.

        18         8; at paragraph 14 in R v. Beaverho [2009]

        19         N.W.T.J. No. 59; at paragraph 19 in R v. Lomen

        20         [2007] N.W.T.J. No. 69; at paragraph 17 in

        21         R v. Bird [2005] N.W.T.J. No. 62; and finally,

        22         our Court of Appeal recently commented about

        23         it as well at paragraph 16 in the case of

        24         R v. A.J.P.J. 2011 NWTCA 2, which was decided

        25         in January of this year, and talking about the

        26         issue the Court of Appeal said, "sexual

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         1         they are either passed out or asleep has been

         2         and continues to be a serious problem in this

         3         jurisdiction".  And as I say, there are many

         4         many more sentencing decisions of this Court

         5         where similar comments have been made noting

         6         the prevalence of this type of crime in our

         7         communities all over this jurisdiction.

         8             This is a crime that causes great harm.

         9         As noted by Crown counsel in his submissions,

        10         the harm to victims is very real.  Sometimes

        11         we hear about it in general terms, other times

        12         victims describe it in very compelling ways in

        13         Victim Impact Statements.  The Victim Impact

        14         Statement prepared by the victim in this case,

        15         which was made an exhibit, is one of those

        16         compelling ones.  It talks about impacts which

        17         unfortunately are very common for people who

        18         are sexually abused.  There is loss of self

        19         esteem, loss of one's sense of personal

        20         safety, fear of going out, fear of being

        21         judged or criticized or harmed by others, a

        22         sense of helplessness and depression, a deep

        23         mistrust for others even people who are loved

        24         ones and that victims used to be close to,

        25         feelings of shame, loss of sleep, nightmares.

        26         These are things that some victims have to

        27         live with for many years after the events.  It





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         1         is also true that the harm often extends to

         2         others, to family members, to the community as

         3         a whole, especially in a small community such

         4         as the one where these events occurred.

         5             The law is clear in the Northwest

         6         Territories that because of the prevalence of

         7         this type of crime, because of how serious it

         8         is and because of the harm it does, the

         9         paramount sentencing principles for the Court

        10         are deterrence and denunciation, and it has

        11         been consistently held, and recently

        12         reaffirmed in the A.J.P.J. decision, that for

        13         a sexual assault involving full intercourse

        14         the courts should start considering a range of

        15         three years imprisonment and then increase or

        16         decrease the sentence to give effect to any

        17         mitigating factors or aggravating factors that

        18         are present.

        19             There are aggravating factors in this

        20         case.  The first is that the victim was in an

        21         especially vulnerable state because she was

        22         passed out.  Our courts have recognized that

        23         this is aggravating.  Next, there was an

        24         element of breach of trust here because Mr.

        25         Carpenter is the victim's uncle.  The home in

        26         question, I am told, was also the home where

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         1         she should have felt safe and been safe.  This

         2         is a place where she should have been able to

         3         expect protection and not abuse.  The third

         4         aggravating factor is the criminal record that

         5         Mr. Carpenter has.  It does not include any

         6         convictions for sexual misconduct but it does

         7         include entries for crimes of violence, most

         8         notably the last two entries which are for

         9         assault causing bodily harm.  The last

        10         conviction was in July 2010 and the sentence

        11         imposed was six months in gaol.  So as noted

        12         by counsel, Mr. Carpenter had not been out of

        13         custody for that long before he committed this

        14         offence in March 2011.

        15             I must however be careful when dealing

        16         with the criminal record as an aggravating

        17         factor.  It is an aggravating factor and it is

        18         relevant to sentencing but it is important

        19         that it not be overemphasized because it is

        20         important that Mr. Carpenter not be punished

        21         over and over again for past crimes for which

        22         he has already served his sentences.  So it is

        23         simply a factor.  In my view those are the

        24         aggravating factors:  the added vulnerability

        25         of the victim because she was passed out, the

        26         element of breach of trust, and the criminal

        27         record.





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         1             As far as things that mitigate sentence,

         2         Mr. Carpenter has been in custody for some

         3         time on this charge.  He was initially

         4         released on a recognizance but that

         5         recognizance was cancelled as a result of an

         6         alcohol-related breach.  Counsel advised that

         7         there are eight months of remand that are

         8         attributable to this charge and that are to be

         9         taken into consideration on this sentencing.

        10         Section 719 of the Criminal Code places limits

        11         on a sentencing Judge's discretion as far as

        12         how much credit can be given to someone for

        13         remand time.  Under certain circumstances,

        14         credit can be given on a ratio of one and a

        15         half for one but where a person is on remand

        16         as a result of having breached release

        17         conditions, my understanding of the

        18         combination of subsections 719 (3) and (3.1)

        19         is that I am limited to credit to a maximum

        20         ratio of one for one.

        21             Without doubt, the most significant

        22         mitigating factor here is Mr. Carpenter's

        23         guilty plea.  People charged with criminal

        24         offences are presumed innocent and they have

        25         the right to have a trial.  They have the

        26         right to put the Crown to the proof of its

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         1         should never ever be punished for having done

         2         so, but those who forego this right, those who

         3         accept responsibility for crimes that they

         4         have committed, deserve to get credit for

         5         that, and this is so for a number of reasons.

         6         One of them is that it is one way a person can

         7         show they truly are sorry for what they have

         8         done.  Accepting responsibility and foregoing

         9         a right to have a trial is a meaningful way a

        10         person can show that they are sorry.  Another

        11         reason is that trials take time and they are

        12         costly.  This court holds jury trials in most

        13         communities in this jurisdiction so there are

        14         significant monetary costs attached to this,

        15         and there is also a real human cost.  A jury

        16         trial can be quite divisive in a community.

        17         It can be very hard on those community members

        18         who are chosen to sit as jurors.

        19             And finally, one very important reason why

        20         a guilty plea has a strong mitigating effect

        21         is that it spares the victim of the crime from

        22         having to come to a courtroom and talk about

        23         what happened.  This Court sees enough people

        24         testify at trials, particularly sexual assault

        25         complainants, and has observed time and time

        26         again how painful and difficult it sometimes

        27         is for those people to talk about very





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         1         personal things, very traumatic events and be

         2         asked numerous questions about every detail of

         3         those events.  Sparing someone from that is

         4         significant.

         5             In this case I am told by Crown counsel

         6         that the preliminary hearing was a difficult

         7         experience for this complainant.  Mr.

         8         Carpenter was there at the preliminary

         9         hearing.  Seeing her struggle through her

        10         testimony, he could have done something

        11         entirely different than what he did.  He could

        12         have sat back and just had his trial hoping

        13         she would struggle even more or maybe even not

        14         want to testify again and hope to get away

        15         with what he did.  But he did not do that; he

        16         did just the opposite.  He wanted to plead

        17         guilty and it was his initiative, I am told,

        18         at his initiative that the steps were taken to

        19         have this matter brought forward to be dealt

        20         with before a trial date was set.

        21             The other thing a guilty plea does, and I

        22         think this too is very important is this:  it

        23         removes any uncertainty about the outcome of

        24         the case of course, but it also removes

        25         lingering uncertainty quite apart from the

        26         court process itself.  What I mean is this:

        27         When accusations like this are made, often





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         1         there are people who have a very hard time

         2         believing that their loved one could have done

         3         something like this.  Complainants may get

         4         accused of having made everything up, accused

         5         of lying, and in fact there are references to

         6         this in the Victim Impact Statement that was

         7         filed in this case.  And the reality is that

         8         even when there is a trial and even when the

         9         person is found guilty, there can always be

        10         people who will continue to say that it cannot

        11         be true and who will continue to blame the

        12         victim instead of holding the offender

        13         responsible.

        14             But when a person pleads guilty, when a

        15         person does what Mr. Carpenter did, it removes

        16         that because then he says it himself that he

        17         did do this, that he is responsible, and that

        18         the victim is not lying.  And in my opinion,

        19         especially in a small community with large

        20         families and lots of connections on both

        21         sides, this is very, very important.  It can

        22         be the start of a healing process for all

        23         involved.  These are not easy things to

        24         recover from for families and for communities,

        25         but acknowledgment of responsibility on the

        26         part of the wrongdoer is an important first

        27         step and it is a step that only that person





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         1         can take.

         2             So although this was not a guilty plea at

         3         an early opportunity and although the

         4         complainant was not spared completely from

         5         having to testify because she had to testify

         6         at the preliminary hearing, Crown counsel has

         7         fairly acknowledged that Mr. Carpenter should

         8         receive significant credit for his guilty

         9         plea, and I completely agree for all those

        10         reasons I have just mentioned.  I am

        11         satisfied, because of the plea, but also

        12         because of the letter that he wrote that was

        13         read by his counsel this morning, and because

        14         of what he told me himself when he had an

        15         opportunity to speak to the Court directly

        16         this morning, that he is truly remorseful for

        17         what he did. I also accept that some of the

        18         things that he has already done, some of the

        19         steps that he has already taken such as

        20         attending AA meetings, thinking about what he

        21         has done, thinking about what he needs to do

        22         to ensure that nothing like this happens

        23         again, are important steps toward his

        24         rehabilitation.  I also accept that the time

        25         he has spent in custody already has been

        26         isolating for him particularly because of the

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         1         which occurred while he was in custody, and

         2         also because he has always lived with his

         3         father, is close to him, and was essentially

         4         cut off from him.  Matters being made more

         5         complicated because Mr. Carpenter's father

         6         does not have a phone.

         7             I have also taken into account what I have

         8         heard about his good work history.  It seems

         9         that when Mr. Carpenter stays away from

        10         alcohol he has been able to be a productive

        11         member of his community.  He has spent time

        12         engaged in traditional fishing, trapping and

        13         hunting activities, he has helped elders in

        14         his community.  He is obviously quite capable

        15         of being a contributing member of his

        16         community, and all those things are in his

        17         favour.  There are things that give reason to

        18         have hope that when he finishes serving his

        19         sentence he can make the changes that he needs

        20         to make to not be in trouble with the law

        21         again and more importantly to not harm other

        22         people again.

        23             I have mentioned the fact that I must take

        24         into account the fact that Mr. Carpenter is an

        25         aboriginal offender.  He does not appear to

        26         have faced some of the same systemic problems

        27         and dysfunction that we often hear about in





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         1         court.  His was a family where alcohol was not

         2         abused and there was no violence within the

         3         family.  But in any event, as I have already

         4         said, this Court often deals with sentencing

         5         of aboriginal men who have committed this type

         6         of crime, and given the seriousness of these

         7         offences a significant gaol term is usually

         8         unavoidable.  The importance of upholding the

         9         dignity and personal safety of all members of

        10         the community is an important value in both

        11         aboriginal and non-aboriginal communities, so

        12         I do not think it makes a significant

        13         difference in the circumstances of this case

        14         that Mr. Carpenter is an aboriginal offender.

        15             In the final analysis, as I have already

        16         said the submissions I have heard from counsel

        17         are not that far apart.  So the issue for me

        18         really boils down to whether the sentence

        19         should be over two years or not.  Many

        20         aboriginal offenders who receive sentences

        21         higher than two years are able to serve their

        22         sentences in a territorial facility here in

        23         the Northwest Territories but that is

        24         something that the court has no control over.

        25         It is entirely up to Corrections.

        26             I do not think that the Crown is out of

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         1         three years.  That is a perfectly reasonable

         2         range of sentence to be seeking for this type

         3         of offence.  At the same time, as I have said,

         4         if I did that and gave eight months credit for

         5         the remand time, the total sentence would be

         6         28 months, two years and four months.  On

         7         balance I think that this is close enough to

         8         two years, that it is an appropriate case for

         9         me to exercise a lot of restraint and keep the

        10         sentence to the territorial range, and this is

        11         for a few reasons.

        12             The first is because of the significant

        13         mitigating impact that I think should come

        14         from the guilty plea and the expressions of

        15         remorse I heard this morning; secondly,

        16         because of the efforts that Mr. Carpenter has

        17         already made during his time at the North

        18         Slave Correctional Centre to attend AA

        19         meetings and start building a support network

        20         to address his issues with alcohol and

        21         whatever issues surface when he is under the

        22         influence of alcohol; thirdly, because of the

        23         potential isolation that he would experience

        24         in the southern penitentiary if he ended up

        25         being sent there; that isolation would be even

        26         greater than what he already has experienced

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         1         as his eventual rehabilitation; and finally,

         2         because of some of the tragic events that have

         3         happened in his family while he was on remand,

         4         and here I refer again to the death of his two

         5         relatives.  Sometimes, there are punishments

         6         that life hands out that are worse than

         7         anything the criminal justice system can do.

         8         I think that the hardship that must have been

         9         experienced as a result of those events while

        10         Mr. Carpenter was on remand is something that

        11         I am entitled to consider when deciding what a

        12         fit sentence is for this offence.

        13             So these reasons leave me to conclude that

        14         I do not need to impose a further gaol term

        15         that is in excess of two years, although as I

        16         have already said, the Crown's position is

        17         well within the range of sentences that could

        18         be imposed on the whole of the circumstances.

        19             So I am going to deal with various orders

        20         that the Crown has sought.  First there will

        21         be a Firearms Prohibition Order pursuant to

        22         Section 109 of the Criminal Code that will

        23         start today and expire ten years from the time

        24         Mr. Carpenter is released.  Any firearms are

        25         to be surrendered forthwith, and I will,

        26         pursuant to Section 113 of the Code, authorize

        27         the chief firearms officer to issue an





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         1         authorization, when the time comes, on

         2         conditions to be set by the chief firearms

         3         officer, to permit Mr. Carpenter to possess a

         4         firearm for employment or sustenance purposes.

         5         I grant this authorization because no firearms

         6         were used in the commission of this offence.

         7         Nothing on Mr. Carpenter's criminal record

         8         appears to be firearms related.  Sexual

         9         assault of course is a crime of violence but

        10         based on the admitted facts, this was not a

        11         case where Mr. Carpenter used force against

        12         the complainant against her body apart from

        13         what is inherent in the act of intercourse.  I

        14         am concerned about the part of the facts where

        15         he prevented her from leaving but this is not

        16         a case where there was gratuitous violence or

        17         extraneous violence.  I am also of course

        18         taking into consideration that in my view

        19         allowing him to resume his hunting, trapping,

        20         fishing activities on the land is consistent

        21         with his rehabilitation and the region where

        22         he lives and where he is likely to carry out

        23         those activities is one where firearms are

        24         essentially essential to preserve one's safety

        25         while one is out on the land.

        26             The next order will be a DNA Order.  Now I

        27         did note from the criminal record that it





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         1         appears that Mr. Carpenter's DNA is already in

         2         the data bank but it is up to peace officers

         3         tasked with executing the order to verify that

         4         this is the case.  So Mr. MacPherson, I will

         5         just ask you to make sure to bring that to

         6         their attention.  I am referring to

         7         Section 487.07 (1) paragraph 2 of the Criminal

         8         Code.  It used to be that the court could not

         9         make the order when someone's DNA was already

        10         in the data bank and then that was changed and

        11         now the orders are made but it is up to the

        12         people executing them to make sure they do not

        13         execute them if the DNA is already in the data

        14         bank.  So I just thought I would mention that.

        15             The third order will be an order that

        16         Mr. Carpenter comply with the provisions of

        17         the Sexual Offender Information Registry Act.

        18         This will be for a period of 20 years which is

        19         the minimum under the Criminal Code.

        20             I will also make an order for the return

        21         of any exhibits that were seized to their

        22         rightful owner if that is appropriate,

        23         otherwise exhibits are to be destroyed at the

        24         expiration of the appeal period of course.

        25             And finally, given the length of the gaol

        26         term I have imposed today, I am not going to

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         1         crime surcharge.  I am satisfied that this

         2         would result in hardship.

         3             Mr. Carpenter, can you stand up please.

         4             Mr. Carpenter, you have heard what I have

         5         said.  For the crime of sexual assault that

         6         you have pleaded guilty to, I am sentencing

         7         you to a further gaol term of two years less

         8         one day which means that you will remain in

         9         the north for sure.  I am not going to put you

        10         on probation when you are released.  Again, I

        11         heard what your lawyer said and that you want

        12         a fresh start but that means that when you are

        13         released it will be up to you to find those

        14         support networks and to get the help you think

        15         you need because there will not be a probation

        16         officer calling you up and making appointments

        17         with you, so it will be up to you.

        18             You can sit down.

        19             I just hope that you will be able to serve

        20         your sentence, make the most of the help that

        21         you can find in the gaol with AA, with other

        22         programs that they might have and that you

        23         will be able to make that fresh start when you

        24         are released.

        25             Madam Clerk, the Warrant of Committal

        26         should say that this sentence is 32 months

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         1         the eight months of remand, so that the

         2         sentence, gaol term actually imposed is

         3         two years less one day.

         4             Is there anything I have overlooked,

         5         Counsel?

         6     MR. BOCK:                 No, thank you, Your

         7         Honour.

         8     THE COURT:                Anything from the Crown?

         9     MR. MACPHERSON:           Thank you, Your Honour.

        10     THE COURT:                All right.  I thank you,

        11         both of you again, Counsel, for your

        12         submissions.

        13     __________________________________________________

        14     PROCEEDINGS CONCLUDED

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        25                           Darlene Sirman,
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