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                R. v. Morgan, 2007 NWTSC 29        S-1-CR-2006000084



                IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES



                IN THE MATTER OF:







                              HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN



                                      - and -



                              DELROY NICHOLAS MORGAN



                _____________________________________________________

                Transcript of the Oral Reasons for Judgment delivered

                by the Honourable Justice L.A.M. Charbonneau, sitting

                at Yellowknife, in the Northwest Territories, on

                April 4th, A.D. 2007.

                _____________________________________________________







                APPEARANCES:

                Ms. M. McGuire:             Counsel for the Crown
                Ms. D. Keats:

                Ms. P. Taylor:              Counsel for the Accused

                       (Charge under s. 268 Criminal Code)




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         1      THE COURT:             Good afternoon, everyone.

         2      MS. KEATS:             Good afternoon, Your Honour.

         3      MS. TAYLOR:            Good afternoon.

         4      THE COURT:             Counsel, I am ready to give my

         5          decision in this case.  In my review of this

         6          case, I have gone through the evidence in some

         7          detail, so I am going to ask you to bear with me.

         8          I am not sure how long it will take me to deliver

         9          these reasons, but I have gone into some level of

        10          detail, so it probably won't be the briefest

        11          decision that I have delivered.

        12               Mr. Morgan is charged that on or about the

        13          21st day of July last year he committed an

        14          aggravated assault on Nelson Debogorski by

        15          wounding him.  This incident occurred shortly

        16          after the Raven Pub closed in the early morning

        17          hours that night.  I heard testimony from some of

        18          the many people who were there, and, not

        19          surprisingly, there are many inconsistencies in

        20          the evidence of the witnesses.  I say "not

        21          surprisingly", because most of the people who

        22          were there and testified about what they saw had

        23          consumed alcohol that night.  This all happened

        24          in a short time and in circumstances that appear

        25          to have been fairly chaotic.  So in those

        26          circumstances, it is not surprising that there

        27          are inconsistencies in each person's account of





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         1          the events.

         2               This is not a case where forensic evidence

         3          is of assistance in reconstructing what happened

         4          that night.  I did hear evidence of certain

         5          samples and items being seized from the scene,

         6          but no evidence of any test results.  There was

         7          evidence of blood being found at the scene, but

         8          that evidence was very limited in scope.  There

         9          was blood there.  It could have been human, it

        10          could have been animal blood, it could have been

        11          fresh, it could have been there for a while.  We

        12          do not know and I cannot speculate.

        13               Sergeant Spence Robertson took a videotape

        14          of the scene, which was filed as Exhibit 2.  He

        15          took several still photographs filed as a booklet

        16          in Exhibit 4.  He prepared a diagram that shows

        17          the surroundings of the Raven Pub and the Corner

        18          Mart.  This was filed as Exhibit 3.  The diagram

        19          is not to scale, because not every single

        20          measurement in the drawing is accurate, but,

        21          nevertheless, it was helpful to visualize the

        22          scene in a general way, especially in conjunction

        23          with the scene photos.

        24               The diagram and the photos show the general

        25          layout of the parking area between the Raven Pub

        26          and the Corner Mart, the general location of

        27          dumpsters located at the back of each of these





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         1          buildings, the back alley that runs behind the

         2          buildings and a chain-link fence which is behind

         3          the Raven, all of which were referred to during

         4          the evidence.

         5               Some findings of facts can, in my view,

         6          easily be made on the basis of the evidence

         7          heard.  So I will start with those before I get

         8          to the analysis of the evidence bearing on the

         9          more difficult aspects of this case.

        10               It is clear that Mr. Morgan and Mr.

        11          Debogorski were both patrons at the Raven Pub

        12          that night.  Mr. Morgan had gone there with some

        13          friends, including a person named Jeffrey Morris

        14          and another individual.  Mr. Debogorski had also

        15          gone there with some of his friends.  Mr.

        16          Debogorski and his friends were introduced to

        17          Mr. Morgan and his friends.  The person who did

        18          the introductions was Chris Martin, who was

        19          acquainted with both Mr. Morgan and Mr.

        20          Debogorski.  The atmosphere at the bar was

        21          friendly and normal.  Mr. Morgan bought rounds of

        22          shots for everyone.  There was no sign of

        23          animosity or problems during the evening.

        24               At one point during the evening Mr. Morris

        25          showed Mr. Debogorski a knife that he was

        26          carrying.  Mr. Debogorski testified that he did

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         1          bit taken aback, and this was the only knife that

         2          Mr. Debogorski ever saw that evening.

         3               At some point the lights went out in the

         4          pub.  People were not sure if the bar staff had

         5          shut off the lights to get people out of there or

         6          if there was, in fact, a power outage, but people

         7          were essentially asked to leave the bar at that

         8          point, and people started being ushered out of

         9          the bar.

        10               At some point after this a verbal argument

        11          and then a series of physical altercations broke

        12          out in the parking lot area between the Raven Pub

        13          and the Corner Mart.  Mr. Debogorski was still in

        14          the Raven Pub when the fighting started, but at

        15          some point he got out and became involved in

        16          fights, as well.  Mr. Debogorski was angry and he

        17          fought with more than one person.

        18               The last person Mr. Debogorski fought with

        19          was Mr. Morgan, the accused in this case.  This

        20          fight started near the back of the Corner Mart

        21          and moved in the back alley towards the area

        22          behind the Raven Pub, and it ended with the two

        23          of them fighting near the chain-link fence that

        24          is behind the Raven Pub, which was also referred

        25          to in the evidence as the fence near the daycare.

        26               After the altercation with Mr. Morgan ended,

        27          Mr. Debogorski realized that he was bleeding.  He





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         1          walked back towards the sidewalk and eventually

         2          fell down or laid down.  The police were called,

         3          as well as an ambulance, and Mr. Debogorski was

         4          taken to the hospital.

         5               Mr. Debogorski had a number of lacerations

         6          on his body; some on his forearms, some on the

         7          back of his torso, some on the back of his head.

         8          He suffered a collapsed lung as a result of one

         9          of those lacerations and stayed in the hospital

        10          for two days.  Photos were taken of his injuries

        11          when he got out of the hospital and were filed as

        12          an exhibit.  I am satisfied beyond a reasonable

        13          doubt that these injuries constitute wounding

        14          within the legal meaning of that word.

        15               In admissions filed at the beginning of this

        16          trial as Exhibit number 1, Mr. Morgan

        17          acknowledges that he was involved in a physical

        18          altercation with Nelson Debogorski on the night

        19          in question.  He further acknowledges that after

        20          that altercation he left the scene with Jeffrey

        21          Morris and another friend in a red Ford Focus

        22          four-door hatchback.

        23               The only real issue in this case is whether

        24          the Crown has proven beyond a reasonable doubt

        25          that Mr. Morgan was the one who caused some or

        26          all of the wounds observed on Mr. Debogorski.  In

        27          examining this issue, there are important legal





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         1          principles that I must take into account.

         2               In a criminal trial the Crown bears the onus

         3          of proof throughout.  That onus never shifts from

         4          the Crown.  Mr. Morgan has no obligation to

         5          explain the evidence presented by the Crown, nor

         6          does he have the obligation to show that he is

         7          innocent or to prove anything to any degree.  He

         8          is presumed innocent and he is entitled to

         9          benefit from that presumption throughout the

        10          proceedings.

        11               The standard of proof beyond a reasonable

        12          doubt is a high standard of proof.  It is more

        13          than possible, probable or even likely guilt.  It

        14          is not a standard of proof to absolute certainty,

        15          because that is an impossibly high standard of

        16          proof, but it is closer to absolute certainty

        17          than it is to probability.

        18               The rule that a person must get the benefit

        19          of any reasonable doubt applies to the issue of

        20          credibility of witnesses.  In simple terms, it

        21          means that if I am left with a reasonable doubt

        22          arising from the credibility or reliability of

        23          witnesses, Mr. Morgan is entitled to the benefit

        24          of that doubt.  If I am unsure of who or what to

        25          believe, that means I have a reasonable doubt and

        26          he is entitled to benefit from it.

        27               In this trial I heard some evidence from Mr.





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         1          Debogorski about certain things he felt

         2          physically while he was fighting with Mr. Morgan,

         3          specifically that he felt something entering his

         4          body while he was fighting with Mr. Morgan.

         5               I have also heard some circumstantial

         6          evidence about some of the things that were

         7          observed before, during and after Mr.

         8          Debogorski's altercation with Mr. Morgan.  I have

         9          heard evidence of a statement given to the RCMP

        10          by Mr. Morgan where he denies carrying a knife

        11          that night and says that if he had stabbed

        12          someone, he would know it.  All of this evidence

        13          must be weighed bearing in mind the standard of

        14          proof and the rule about reasonable doubt.

        15               I have reviewed and considered all of the

        16          evidence, but I will comment now more

        17          specifically on the aspects of the evidence that

        18          are focused on the circumstances of the

        19          altercation between Mr. Debogorski and Mr.

        20          Morgan.

        21               Starting with Stephanie Walsh, she was

        22          outside the Corner Mart when all this started.

        23          There was a verbal argument that escalated to a

        24          physical fight.  She saw Joseph Masongsong get

        25          punched.  She says that Mr. Debogorski came out

        26          of the bar and basically started punching people.

        27          She saw him throwing someone down towards the





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         1          side of the Corner Mart building.  She remembers

         2          the person hitting his head.  Then she says Mr.

         3          Debogorski went towards the back of the bar

         4          towards the chain-link fence and the back alley,

         5          and this is where she saw Mr. Debogorski and Mr.

         6          Morgan fighting.

         7               Her description of what exactly was going on

         8          is not entirely clear, nor is it entirely

         9          internally consistent.  As I understood her

        10          evidence in-chief, she described them almost like

        11          in a bear hug, struggling or wrestling with each

        12          other, and she demonstrated this while she was

        13          testifying.  I was able to observe it.

        14               She was pressed in cross-examination about

        15          what she saw, and, if I recall, she said at one

        16          point she did not see anyone throwing any

        17          punches, but later in cross-examination she did

        18          say she saw people throwing punches.  She was

        19          confronted with her statement to the police where

        20          she said that Mr. Debogorski had Mr. Morgan down

        21          and was hitting him constantly.  She did not

        22          adopt her statement, but maintained essentially

        23          that it was an even fight; no one was getting the

        24          best of it.  She did say the two were leaning

        25          against the fence, and she did say that at one

        26          point Mr. Morgan fell into the fence.

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         1          fighting with Mr. Morgan there was a crowd

         2          gathered around watching the fight; that they

         3          were a few metres away from the people fighting.

         4          She said she saw one person approach Mr.

         5          Debogorski and Mr. Morgan; that this person

         6          appeared to be trying to break the fight up.  She

         7          said when Mr. Debogorski walked away from this

         8          last fight he had blood on him.  She had not seen

         9          blood on him before that.

        10               I accept that in her testimony Ms. Walsh did

        11          her best to describe what she remembered

        12          happening.  I take into account she was observing

        13          all of this through a crowd of people, that she

        14          herself had consumed a fair bit of alcohol, and

        15          that all of this happened very quickly, which

        16          explains, perhaps, some of the inconsistencies in

        17          her evidence.

        18               Another witness who was called was Kyle

        19          Gordon.  Mr. Gordon's evidence was entirely

        20          unhelpful.  He claims to have consumed 30 to 40

        21          drinks on the night in question.  If that is

        22          true, one wonders how he would have been able to

        23          stand, let alone get involved in a physical fight

        24          that night.  So whether he was that intoxicated

        25          or whether he exaggerated his consumption of

        26          liquor to create a convenient reason for his lack

        27          of recollection does not really matter.  In my





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         1          view, his evidence is of no assistance.

         2               Chris Martin testified, as well.  He was

         3          with Jeffrey Morris at Harley's Bar and was

         4          joined by Mr. Morgan.  They then went to the

         5          Ravens' Pub.  Nothing out of the ordinary

         6          happened.  Then the lights went off in the bar

         7          and people started being taken out.  When he got

         8          out of the bar, he says he saw there was an

         9          argument going on.  He said he grabbed someone

        10          involved in that argument - someone he did not

        11          know - and punched him.  He said he saw Mr.

        12          Debogorski swinging or throwing someone against

        13          the wall of the Corner Mart.  He said he did not

        14          know who that person was and described him as a

        15          Native person.

        16               Mr. Martin also said he approached Mr.

        17          Debogorski while he was fighting someone -

        18          Mr. Martin said he did not know who - near the

        19          chain-link fence behind the Raven Pub.  He says

        20          he told Mr. Debogorski to stop fighting.  He says

        21          that Mr. Debogorski said words to the effect,

        22          quote, "He is beating up my friend," and then,

        23          quote, "I am hurt.  I am hurt."  Mr. Martin says

        24          he walked Mr. Debogorski back towards the

        25          sidewalk and that Mr. Debogorski said he needed

        26          to lie down.

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         1          next was evasive, to say the least.  He said he

         2          was feeling very uneasy because he said of, "the

         3          whole scenario"; that he did not feel welcome

         4          there; that this was not a good place to be at

         5          2:00 in the morning; that he did not know who

         6          were his friends and who were not his friends;

         7          that he left the area in his truck; that he

         8          contacted Jeffrey Morris later on and got

         9          together with him.

        10               My impression in that portion of

        11          Mr. Martin's evidence was that he was not being

        12          entirely forthcoming in his testimony.  Whether

        13          this is because of issues of divided loyalty

        14          because he was friends with people on both sides

        15          of this fight or whether there are other reasons

        16          is not something I can speculate about.

        17               Mr. Martin said he did not know who Mr.

        18          Debogorski was fighting with by the fence.  I

        19          have enormous problems with that part of his

        20          testimony.  It has been established clearly, in

        21          my view, that at that point Mr. Debogorski was

        22          fighting with Mr. Morgan.  Mr. Martin knew Mr.

        23          Morgan.  It would be surprising that he did not

        24          notice that this is who Mr. Debogorski was

        25          fighting with, especially if he was right there

        26          next to them trying to break up the fight.

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         1          description of the person who was thrown against

         2          the wall of the Corner Mart.  I find as a fact

         3          that that person that Ms. Walsh saw Mr.

         4          Debogorski throw against the building or in that

         5          area was Mr. Morris.  Mr. Martin knows

         6          Mr. Morris.  It would be very strange that Mr.

         7          Martin would not recognize either of his friends

         8          or acquaintances that were involved in a fight

         9          with Mr. Debogorski that night.

        10               I mention these things about Mr. Martin's

        11          testimony because, in my view, they taint his

        12          testimony to a significant degree.  As the trier

        13          of fact, I can accept nothing of what a witness

        14          says, part of what a witness says or all of what

        15          a witness says.  I certainly do not accept

        16          everything that Mr. Martin said.  Where his

        17          evidence contradicts the evidence of other

        18          witnesses, I prefer the other witnesses' version.

        19               For example, although Mr. Martin made no

        20          reference of going back inside the bar to get

        21          Bethann Williams, I accept her testimony that

        22          this is exactly what happened.  I find as a fact

        23          that after Mr. Martin broke up the fight he went

        24          inside the Raven Pub to get Ms. Williams and

        25          afterwards he left the scene.

        26               I do accept that Mr. Martin was the one who

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         1          Mr. Debogorski and Mr. Morgan.  Quite likely he

         2          did so because he knew both of them.  I accept

         3          that he heard Mr. Debogorski say, "I am hurt.  I

         4          am hurt," and that at that point Mr. Debogorski

         5          was bleeding.

         6               Mr. Martin's evidence accords with Ms.

         7          Walsh's testimony about someone having approached

         8          Mr. Morgan and Mr. Debogorski and looking like he

         9          was trying to break up a fight.  Ms. Walsh's

        10          words that it was, "kind of weird," or words to

        11          that effect she used - that the person looked

        12          like they were trying to break up the fight and

        13          then just walked away - seemed to fit with the

        14          way Mr. Martin himself appeared on the witness

        15          stand when he talked about what he did

        16          afterwards.  It may be that he was acting strange

        17          that night.

        18               The other witness I want to talk about is

        19          Mr. Bruce.  He had been at the Raven Pub.  He and

        20          his friend left the bar after the lights went

        21          out, and when they came out the fighting was

        22          already in progress.  They watched what was going

        23          on.  At one point they saw someone fall over and

        24          heard someone say he had been stabbed.

        25               Without much thinking about what they were

        26          doing, they ran towards the back alley behind the

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         1          thought were involved.  In his

         2          examination-in-chief, Mr. Bruce said they were

         3          chasing two or three people.  In

         4          cross-examination, he said it could have been

         5          more, it was dark and he was not sure.

         6               In any event, he says that one of the people

         7          they were chasing turned around, he was holding a

         8          knife, and he asked Mr. Bruce if he wanted some

         9          of it, or words to that effect.  Mr. Bruce

        10          described this man as a black man with not

        11          extremely dark skin.  He said he was of medium

        12          build, not scrawny, not a weightlifter.  He was

        13          asked on cross-examination how Mr. Morgan's build

        14          compared with the build of the person he saw, and

        15          he said he was not sure.

        16               This individual then started running again.

        17          Mr. Bruce and his friend were not able to catch

        18          up with him.  He says the people they were

        19          chasing ran to the end of the back alley and left

        20          in a car.  He described the car as a small car, a

        21          station-wagon type.  He said it was red and had

        22          four doors for sure.  He also said it was

        23          similar, like a foreign type car, if I am not

        24          mistaken.

        25               I accept Mr. Bruce's testimony.  He

        26          testified in a straightforward way, admitted

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         1          notice or did not see.  I am satisfied that he

         2          did his best to describe without exaggeration or

         3          embellishment what he observed.  Again, all this

         4          happened very quickly.  He had been drinking.  It

         5          appears as if he acted on impulse, spur of the

         6          moment.  So it is not surprising he could not

         7          provide many details about what he saw.

         8               Mr. Bruce did not identify Mr. Morgan as the

         9          person he saw holding the knife.  Mr. Morgan is a

        10          black man, but I do not recall there being any

        11          evidence adduced at this trial that he was the

        12          only black man in the Raven Pub that night or the

        13          only black man in the parking lot.  So not only

        14          is Mr. Bruce's evidence not identification, by

        15          any stretch of the mind, it is also not evidence

        16          of a description that can be said to be pointing

        17          inevitably to Mr. Morgan; far from it.  But

        18          Mr. Bruce testified that the man who was holding

        19          the knife and the others that he chased left the

        20          area in a car, and his description of that car is

        21          consistent with the vehicle Mr. Morgan admits he

        22          left the area in, this admission made in Exhibit

        23          1.  So this is a piece of circumstantial evidence

        24          for me to consider along with the rest of the

        25          evidence.

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         1          was interviewed by Corporal Chris Culhane in

         2          relation to this incident.  The interview began

         3          on July 23rd and was interrupted because of a

         4          power outage.  The interview continued the next

         5          day.  Both portions of the interview were

         6          videotaped.

         7               At this trial Mr. Morgan waived his right to

         8          a voir dire and acknowledged that this statement

         9          was made freely and voluntarily.  The videotapes

        10          were entered as Exhibits number 12 and 13 on the

        11          trial.  Mr. Morgan seemed calm throughout the

        12          interview.  At the beginning of each segment he

        13          indicated he did not really want to talk about

        14          this, but then he went on to respond to some of

        15          the things Corporal Culhane said and answered

        16          some of his questions.

        17               Clearly, Mr. Morgan was not willing to talk

        18          about everything during the statement.  For

        19          example, he did not want to give Corporal Culhane

        20          the names of the two people that were with him

        21          that night.  He was also somewhat evasive about

        22          the whereabouts of one of the two people in

        23          question.  It was Mr. Morgan's right to speak

        24          about some things and not speak about others.

        25          The right to remain silent means exactly that.

        26               In the statement, Mr. Morgan says he was not

        27          carrying a knife on the night in question.  On a





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         1          number of occasions he made statements to the

         2          effect that if he had stabbed someone, he would

         3          know about it.  But also, many, many times during

         4          the course of the statement Mr. Morgan is asked

         5          what he remembers about the night and answers

         6          that he does not remember anything except coming

         7          out of the bar and being rushed or attacked from

         8          behind and then waking up the next day with a

         9          very sore hand and also his head hurting.

        10               Several times he said, "It was a drunken

        11          night."  He says when he drinks, he drinks

        12          heavily.  He does not remember how much he had to

        13          drink, but he was drinking beer at Harley's and

        14          then beer and shots at the Raven.  He does not

        15          appear to have any recollection of what happened

        16          in the parking lot except what happened

        17          immediately after he and his friends came out of

        18          the bar.  He says in a couple of different ways

        19          that he remembers coming out of the bar, being

        20          attacked and then waking up the next day.  He

        21          remembered where he woke up the next day, but has

        22          no recollection about how he got there.

        23               What Mr. Morgan says about being rushed or

        24          attacked by more than one person outside the bar

        25          is consistent with the observations of the

        26          witness called by the defence, Jody Larkin, who

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         1          a black person.  As I have said, there is no

         2          evidence that Mr. Morgan was the only black

         3          person in the bar or parking lot that night, but

         4          given Mr. Morgan's description of what happened

         5          when he exited the bar, the inference can be

         6          drawn that it was him that Ms. Larkin saw being

         7          beaten up.  So I accept that Mr. Morgan was

         8          assaulted by two people when he left the bar, but

         9          that fact does not assist with making findings

        10          about what happened after.

        11               As I have said, Mr. Morgan had the right to

        12          not talk to the police at all about this

        13          incident.  He also had the right to talk about

        14          some things and not talk about other things.  But

        15          in this statement Mr. Morgan does not say, "I

        16          don't want to talk to you about the fight in the

        17          back alley," or, "I don't want to talk to you

        18          about what happened after I got attacked when I

        19          left the bar."  That is not what he says.  He

        20          says he does not remember anything beyond being

        21          attacked when exiting the bar.  He also says, it

        22          is true, that he thinks he would know if he

        23          stabbed someone, but I find that statement does

        24          not carry any weight considering his lack of

        25          recollection about most of what happened after he

        26          exited the bar.

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         1          statement adduced by the Crown, as the trier of

         2          fact I must first decide whether it is

         3          established that the statement was, in fact,

         4          made.  In this case that is an easy finding to

         5          make, because the statement was on videotape.

         6               Next, I must examine and weigh the statement

         7          just like the rest of the evidence.  My

         8          assessment of Mr. Morgan's statement is that he

         9          either does not recall the fight with Mr.

        10          Debogorski because of his consumption of alcohol

        11          and possibly because of some of the hits he

        12          received during the events in the parking lot or

        13          that he was being deliberately evasive about that

        14          portion of events.  Either way, that statement is

        15          of no assistance in resolving the issue of

        16          whether, in fact, he inflicted wounds to Mr.

        17          Debogorski during the physical altercation he had

        18          with him.

        19               That takes me to the evidence of Mr.

        20          Debogorski himself.  Mr. Debogorski testified

        21          about his recollection of the fight.  He says he

        22          was inside the Raven Pub still when Joseph

        23          Masongsong came in bleeding from above his eye,

        24          saying he had been assaulted.  I note this is

        25          consistent with Ms. Walsh's account that

        26          Mr. Masongsong was struck and this was how the

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         1          escalated to a physical fight.

         2               Mr. Debogorski says he ran out of the bar.

         3          He saw one of his friends facing Jeffrey Morris.

         4          He pushed the friend out of the way and punched

         5          Mr. Morris, who fell to the ground.  Mr.

         6          Debogorski then said, I think, that he corralled

         7          him towards the dumpster that is at the back of

         8          the Corner Mart.  He says he threw him down in

         9          the area of the dumpster.  That is not entirely

        10          consistent with Ms. Walsh's description, who said

        11          the person was thrown against the wall of the

        12          Corner Mart, but the difference is not

        13          significant, especially since I understood Mr.

        14          Debogorski to say that he referred to the

        15          dumpster because it was a landmark of sorts, one

        16          thing he remembered being in the general area

        17          where he threw Mr. Morris.

        18               Then he says something caused him to turn

        19          around and Mr. Morgan was right there.  They

        20          engaged in an altercation.  Mr. Debogorski says

        21          that while he was fighting Mr. Morgan he could

        22          feel something piercing his body.  He said he was

        23          looking Mr. Morgan in the eye and was being hit

        24          by him and he could feel something entering his

        25          body on the back of his head, and he said he was

        26          sure about that.

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         1          on Mr. Morgan during the fight and was not paying

         2          attention to who else was around.  He did say

         3          there was no one within a few metres of them.  I

         4          observe this is consistent with the observations

         5          made by Ms. Walsh, who said that although people

         6          were watching the fight, no one was within a few

         7          feet of them; people were a few metres away.

         8               Mr. Debogorski was cross-examined about

         9          things he said at the Preliminary Hearing and

        10          things that he had told the police when he gave

        11          his statement.  In submissions, defence counsel

        12          argued that these were areas where there were

        13          inconsistencies in Mr. Debogorski's evidence and

        14          suggested that Mr. Debogorski is confused and his

        15          account of what happened is not reliable or, at

        16          the very least, should leave me with a reasonable

        17          doubt about when and by whom he was wounded.

        18               I have reviewed the testimony of Mr.

        19          Debogorski carefully, and I will refer to some

        20          parts of it, specifically from the transcript

        21          prepared by the Court Reporter, which was filed

        22          March 29th in this court.

        23               One area he was cross-examined about was the

        24          issue of why he turned around after he had thrown

        25          Mr. Morris down.  In his examination-in-chief he

        26          was asked the question:

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         1               the point that you punch Mr. Morris.

         2          His answer was:

         3               Answer:  Okay, so I punch him and he

         4               kind of goes down, kind of grabbed

         5               him and corralled him, threw him

         6               towards the dumpster that was in the

         7               parking lot.  At this point, you

         8               know, for some reason like I got hit

         9               in the back, or I don't know if I

        10               was hit or stabbed or what.  I

        11               turned around and Delroy is right in

        12               front of me and he just like

        13               instantly we -- you know, he comes

        14               at me and I go at him...

        15          Then he describes the fight.

        16               In cross-examination, Mr. Debogorski was

        17          reminded of some questions that were asked of him

        18          at the Preliminary Hearing, and counsel reminded

        19          him of being asked this question:

        20               Question:  And then I understand you

        21               indicate that...I'm trying to

        22               envision this in my mind while I'm

        23               listening to you - that once you've

        24               dealt with Mr. Morris what happens

        25               next?

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         1               know if it's because I got stabbed

         2               in the back or because I got punched

         3               in the back but I turned around and

         4               then Delroy was right in front of

         5               me, you know, and we kind of locked

         6               arms at that point.

         7               Mr. Debogorski acknowledged that this is

         8          what he said at the Preliminary Hearing.  I do

         9          not see an inconsistency between the answer Mr.

        10          Debogorski gave in his evidence in-chief at this

        11          trial and the answer he gave to that question in

        12          cross-examination at the Preliminary Hearing.

        13               Mr. Debogorski did acknowledge - because it

        14          was put to him during cross-examination in this

        15          trial - that he was confused about some things.

        16          His answer was that he was stabbed several times

        17          and he knew for a fact about some of when he got

        18          stabbed and for some other ones, yes, he was

        19          confused.

        20               The second area of cross-examination had to

        21          do with something Mr. Debogorski said in his

        22          statement to the police.  Again, defence counsel

        23          was reminding him that the Constable had asked

        24          him, "Start with the night, let's get all the

        25          details," and then referred to Mr. Debogorski

        26          saying:

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         1               black, the black guy, kind of short

         2               stocky guy and went after him.  I

         3               think that's when the other guy

         4               stabbed me from behind.  That was

         5               when I got the real big wound and I

         6               don't know if he got me in the

         7               shoulder too.  Could have been his

         8               smaller buddy."

         9               So after that counsel asked Mr. Debogorski

        10          if that was a fair representation of what he told

        11          the police officer, and Mr. Debogorski agreed

        12          that that was a fair representation of what he

        13          said.  Then in the trial counsel put the question

        14          to him again:

        15               Question:  Will you agree that you

        16               seem to be a little bit confused as

        17               to who stabbed you?

        18          His answer was:

        19               Answer:  Well I have six different

        20               stab wounds and there were a lot of

        21               people behind me, so, you know, I

        22               wasn't sure if there was more people

        23               involved.  But I was staring Delroy

        24               Morgan in the eyes and when he was

        25               hitting me I could feel the knife

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         1               Question:  Where?

         2          He answered:

         3               Answer:  Where?  In the back of my

         4               head.  I know that for a fact.

         5          Then he confirmed that he did not see a knife at

         6          any time.

         7               So it is clear from this and other aspects

         8          of Mr. Debogorski's testimony that he

         9          acknowledged that there were things he was not

        10          sure about.  He was cross-examined thoroughly by

        11          defence counsel and was not shaken to any

        12          significant degree, in my view.  My understanding

        13          of his evidence, when I consider it as a whole,

        14          is that he is not sure when he was first stabbed

        15          and he is not sure that all his wounds were

        16          inflicted by Mr. Morgan, but he is sure that

        17          while he was fighting with Mr. Morgan and Mr.

        18          Morgan was hitting him he felt something going

        19          into his body on the back of his head.

        20               Having reviewed and considered all of this

        21          evidence, what am I left with?  I am left with

        22          Mr. Debogorski's testimony, as I just mentioned,

        23          that he felt something entering the back of his

        24          head while he was fighting with Mr. Morgan.  I am

        25          left with Ms. Walsh's evidence that although

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         1          were observing the fight from a distance of a few

         2          metres.  Only one person was seen approaching

         3          them, and I find as a fact that this was Chris

         4          Martin.

         5               I am also left with someone seen by

         6          Mr. Bruce holding a knife running down the back

         7          alley and leaving in a red four-door

         8          station-wagon type car, a description that

         9          matches the vehicle that Mr. Morgan admits

        10          through Exhibit 1 that he left the scene in.

        11               I am left with the warned statement where

        12          although Mr. Morgan says he would remember if he

        13          had stabbed someone, he also says on several

        14          occasions that this was a drunken night and that

        15          all he remembers is being attacked from behind

        16          and waking up the next day with injuries.

        17               I accept Mr. Debogorski's evidence.  I

        18          accept it because it is cogent evidence given in

        19          a straightforward manner, because he readily

        20          admitted to doing things that did not necessarily

        21          put him in the best of lights.  Whatever

        22          inconsistencies there are in his evidence, in my

        23          view, are not significant and do not call into

        24          question his credibility or the reliability of

        25          his testimony.

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         1          how many people stabbed him - makes him more

         2          credible.  If he was too certain about too many

         3          details, given the overall circumstances of this

         4          event, one might wonder about his level of

         5          honesty.  I also accept his evidence because it

         6          is in some aspects corroborated by other evidence

         7          before me, as I have alluded to in my summary of

         8          the evidence.

         9               The statement given to the RCMP by Mr.

        10          Morgan, which I have carefully considered, does

        11          not raise a reasonable doubt in my mind.  Maybe

        12          Mr. Morgan does not remember stabbing Mr.

        13          Debogorski, maybe he finds it hard to believe

        14          that he did, but, based on the limited

        15          recollection of events Mr. Morgan says he had

        16          during his statement to the police, that

        17          statement does not leave me with a reasonable

        18          doubt about the fact he caused the wounds to the

        19          back of Mr. Debogorski's head.

        20               So I am satisfied that the Crown has

        21          established beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr.

        22          Morgan is responsible for inflicting those wounds

        23          to the back of Mr. Debogorski's head during the

        24          course of the physical altercation that occurred

        25          on the night in question, and, for that reason, I

        26          find Mr. Morgan guilty as charged.

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         1          that do leave me with a reasonable doubt as to

         2          whether Mr. Morgan is responsible for all the

         3          wounds inflicted on Mr. Debogorski that night.

         4               Just to refer to some parts of that evidence

         5          that cumulatively, I suppose, raises this doubt

         6          in my mind:  Mr. Morris was carrying a knife that

         7          night, all of this happened very fast, and Mr.

         8          Debogorski had basically attacked Mr. Morris a

         9          short time before he realized he was bleeding.

        10          Mr. Morgan and Mr. Morris were together that

        11          evening.  Mr. Debogorski was not sure if he was

        12          hit or stabbed in the back at the time where he

        13          was fighting with Mr. Morris and was caused to

        14          turn around.  The transition between the fight

        15          with Mr. Morris and the fight with Mr. Morgan

        16          appears to have all happened very quickly, like

        17          the rest of these events.  There were lots of

        18          people around, things appear to have been very

        19          chaotic, and I do not think any witness who was

        20          there that night, even a stone cold sober

        21          witness, could have possibly been expected to

        22          have seen everything.

        23               To this day, Mr. Debogorski himself is not

        24          sure how many people stabbed him.  Neither am I.

        25          I must give the benefit of that doubt to Mr.

        26          Morgan.  So this is why my finding is that what

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         1          that he is responsible for the wounds to the back

         2          of Mr. Debogorski's head.

         3               One last issue I want to deal with, mainly

         4          for the record - because it was referred to

         5          during submissions, and I just want to make this

         6          very clear - is the use that I have made of the

         7          identification of the photo lineup; the evidence

         8          on, more specifically, Mr. Debogorski having

         9          identified Mr. Morgan as the person who was

        10          involved with this.

        11               There was this evidence adduced that Mr.

        12          Debogorski identified Mr. Morgan through a photo

        13          lineup a few days after these events.  Mr.

        14          Debogorski testified about it and he identified

        15          the photo that he identified.  Sergeant

        16          Cunningham testified about the procedure that was

        17          followed, and, of course, this was all

        18          videotaped, which is, of course, an excellent way

        19          to proceed in those matters.  So it was there for

        20          all of us to see what happened during this

        21          identification process, and the tape was filed as

        22          Exhibit 8.

        23               I may have misunderstood, but if I

        24          understood the Crown's submission correctly, the

        25          argument was made that this evidence could be

        26          used as evidence going to what Mr. Morgan

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         1          not just with respect to the issue of

         2          identification in the sense of Mr. Morgan being

         3          the person that was involved in the fight with

         4          Mr. Debogorski, but also as evidence going to the

         5          question of what Mr. Morgan actually did during

         6          that altercation.  I think the Crown was arguing

         7          that this was all something I should consider as

         8          part of the identification evidence.

         9               Evidence of out-of-court identification is

        10          admissible.  This is an exception to the usual

        11          rule against admissibility of hearsay and the

        12          usual rule that prevents a party from adducing

        13          evidence of prior consistent statements.  The

        14          evidence of out-of-court identification, as I

        15          understand it, is admissible to bolster the

        16          weight of the in-court identification made by a

        17          witness.  It provides context for the evidence of

        18          the witness who says in court that the accused is

        19          the person who was involved with whatever is

        20          being talked about.  There is a good analysis of

        21          the law on this in a case called R. v. Tat and

        22          Long reported at Volume 117 C.C.C. (3d), page

        23          481.

        24               The Crown says that the utterances of Mr.

        25          Debogorski to the effect that Mr. Morgan stabbed

        26          him twice in the back of the head - these

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         1          of the identification evidence, but I am not

         2          convinced it is.  It is not clear to me at all

         3          that descriptive utterances about what a suspect

         4          supposedly did should be treated the same way as

         5          the out-of-court utterances that identify the

         6          suspect as the person involved.

         7               It may be a distinction without a

         8          difference, but, for my part, I think the danger

         9          in using the statements about what a suspect did,

        10          as opposed to who the suspect is, is that it

        11          really amounts to oath helping, and I do not

        12          think that that was what was meant to be captured

        13          by the very narrow purpose for which out-of-court

        14          identification evidence is admissible.  I

        15          recognize there may well be other views and

        16          possibly other very learned views on this, but

        17          that is my view.

        18               So for that reason, in reaching my decision

        19          in this case, I have used the evidence about the

        20          photo lineup strictly as evidence providing

        21          context to Mr. Debogorski's in-court

        22          identification of Mr. Morgan.  In other words,

        23          that evidence, to me, goes to a fact that by the

        24          end of the case really was not in issue; that is,

        25          the fact that it was Mr. Morgan who was fighting

        26          with Mr. Debogorski near that chain-link fence

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         1          that Mr. Morgan did cause these two wounds to the

         2          back of Mr. Debogorski's head were, then, based

         3          on Mr. Debogorski's in-court testimony only, as

         4          well, of course, as other in-court testimony and

         5          other aspects of the evidence that I have

         6          referred to.

         7               So for these reasons and on the basis that I

         8          have indicated, I find Mr. Morgan guilty and a

         9          conviction will be entered on the charge.

        10               Now, counsel, what is your wish with respect

        11          to sentencing?

        12      MS. McGUIRE:           Your Honour, I understand that

        13          defence would like some time, and I agree.

        14      THE COURT:             Okay.  How much time would you

        15          like, Ms. Taylor?  Depending on how much time you

        16          need, I may have to get information about my

        17          schedule.

        18      MS. TAYLOR:            I see.  If I could just have a

        19          moment, Your Honour.  Sometime maybe end of next

        20          week, Your Honour.

        21      THE COURT:             Yes.  Next week is definitely

        22          an option.  I don't think there is anything

        23          scheduled in this courtroom next week, to my

        24          knowledge.  When you say the end of next week, do

        25          you have a specific day that would work better

        26          for your purposes?

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         1      THE COURT:             Thursday the 12th.  I think

         2          that should work, Ms. Taylor.  I really don't

         3          think there is any other criminal case set for

         4          this courtroom.  So we will adjourn, then,

         5          sentencing to April 12th at 10 a.m.

         6               Now, Madam Clerk, if this presents a problem

         7          that I have overlooked, please let me know and we

         8          will make arrangements to schedule some other

         9          time next week, but I hope that that can work.

        10      THE COURT CLERK:       Yes, Your Honour.

        11      THE COURT:             There will be a remand warrant

        12          for that date to make sure Mr. Morgan is taken

        13          back here.

        14               Anything further required at this point,

        15          counsel?

        16      MS. McGUIRE:           Yes, Your Honour.  I won't be

        17          here next week, but Ms. Keats will be here.

        18      THE COURT:             All right.  Okay.  Thank you

        19          counsel, we are adjourned.

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        22                             Certified to be a true and
                                       accurate transcript pursuant
        23                             to Rules 723 and 724 of the
                                       Supreme Court Rules.
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